Comments Thread For: Mike Tyson Labels Floyd Mayweather an 'Enterprise' Fighter

[richardt]

RJJ was a physical freak more than he was a better boxer than Floyd or Tyson at their best. RJJ got away with a lot of stuff when he was young cuz he was quick & a physical dynamo. When RJJ slowed down a lil & he was on the wrong side of some bad KO's. I don't think many technically strong boxers get KO'd like that & as many times as RJJ did at any stage of their career.

They do, but there is a caveat. It happens mostly to boxers who drop weight at a later age. Who would have ever thought extremely slick and skilled Chris Byrd who held up to heavyweights would be knocked out by a 175 pound club fighter. Fighters age themselves dramatically when the try to drop weight and their punch resistance goes. Leonard who held up to Hagler's and Norris's power punches, collapsed under the below average punching power of Camacho when previously Leonard was fighting at 168, 160, and 154, then he went to 147 and that was a huge mistake. Jones has himself to blame for taking himself at a past prime state and then compounding the aging process by bulking up with muscle, not fat to take Ruiz's shots flush, the same shoots that floored Holyfield, and then Jones was laid out by one punch from two light heavyweight fighters in Tarver and Johnson that were not known to KO guys with one punch, but they did him. Jones should have fought at Cruiserweight to prolong his career, not cause serious issues by losing muscle to get to 175 which causes muscles to atrophy and the result was a badly gaunt Jones. As soon as I hear a fighter at an older age talk about moving down in weight, I know how that will end.

[Johnny_Roa]

not defending Floyd, but Tyson just had the most fake as fck fight you could generate nowadays.

[Fightfan79]

Jones fate at HW

I think 🤔 RJJ fateful decision to move back down to LHW after his one-time venture to HW really contributed to his initial decline, and should be a cautionary tale for any fighters looking to shed 30 lbs of muscle to drop a weight class.

[Pretty Boy32]

Yep. Floyd doesn’t get played for his money.

In the Tyson era, boxers would get played if they didn’t know wtf was going on.

Floyd, whether you think it’s him or people around him who helped him do the right business moves (Haymon), did the right moves for his financial well being.

People, like fans, can look down on that all they want but in the end Floyd Mayweather Jr made more money than any other boxer, and in some years, any other athlete, and if you are not a bitter ****** you would tip your hat off to that.

You can hate all you want but go take a look at your bank account. You’re broke. Floyd is not, he made better moves than you. Get over it.

Well said Kev!

[jlf85]

I think 🤔 RJJ fateful decision to move back down to LHW after his one-time venture to HW really contributed to his initial decline, and should be a cautionary tale for any fighters looking to shed 30 lbs of muscle to drop a weight class.

Totally agree.. I've always felt this way. If you compare the reflexes, energy levels and stamina of the Roy that beat Ruiz Vs first fight with Tarver... He messed his body up.

[Roadblock]

I don’t have a brother, but is it true that 50 fooked floyds baby mama after he got jailed for beating her?

Why you asking me for I wasnt there.

How come you got 4k posts in 2 yrs and Floyd is in all of them ? he should have you arrested for stalking lol.

[Liondw]

Tyson's exhibition drew more viewers and paying customers than Mayweather's exhibition in Japan, although I guess some could argue the McGregor fight was a bit of an exhibition too.

But yes, if you had Mike and Floyd in their primes today still fighting, I bet you that Tyson, not Mayweather, would be the biggest box office attraction by far, breaking Mayweather-Pacquaio records.

[Roadblock]

Tyson's exhibition drew more viewers and paying customers than Mayweather's exhibition in Japan, although I guess some could argue the McGregor fight was a bit of an exhibition too.

But yes, if you had Mike and Floyd in their primes today still fighting, I bet you that Tyson, not Mayweather, would be the biggest box office attraction by far, breaking Mayweather-Pacquaio records.

I doubt it Mike would have to many loses on his resume, losing fighters will never pull the PPV numbers that Floyd could, what him and Manny generated was real emotion all over the world, they had that special rivalry element going, Floyd is an enigma that has polarized world boxing, Mike was a monster that got beaten badly and that unarmed him.

[Bronx2245]

Mike wasn't "playing the game," he (like so many others) was being played!

Tyson delivers riveting one-man show about his life

May 4, 2013:

MIKE TYSON says Don King charged him $8,000 a month for towels. For towels! And then he looks to the balcony and he deepens his voice and he shouts again, in case they did not hear him the first time, "Eight thousand a month for towels..."

D'Amato died in 1985. Tyson calls the people who squandered his money and enabled his vices "parasites." He lumps King, the flamboyant promoter, in that category, mocking King's "Only in America" mantra.

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/sports/boxing/20130505_Tyson_delivers_riveting_one-man_show_about_his_life.html

[Eff Pandas]

They do, but there is a caveat. It happens mostly to boxers who drop weight at a later age. Who would have ever thought extremely slick and skilled Chris Byrd who held up to heavyweights would be knocked out by a 175 pound club fighter. Fighters age themselves dramatically when the try to drop weight and their punch resistance goes. Leonard who held up to Hagler's and Norris's power punches, collapsed under the below average punching power of Camacho when previously Leonard was fighting at 168, 160, and 154, then he went to 147 and that was a huge mistake. Jones has himself to blame for taking himself at a past prime state and then compounding the aging process by bulking up with muscle, not fat to take Ruiz's shots flush, the same shoots that floored Holyfield, and then Jones was laid out by one punch from two light heavyweight fighters in Tarver and Johnson that were not known to KO guys with one punch, but they did him. Jones should have fought at Cruiserweight to prolong his career, not cause serious issues by losing muscle to get to 175 which causes muscles to atrophy and the result was a badly gaunt Jones. As soon as I hear a fighter at an older age talk about moving down in weight, I know how that will end.

Can't argue with this. There is clearly issues with moving down in weight that I agree with you about. If I'd thought about the specifics with RJJ's career more I wouldn't have used the KO's as an example in retrospect.

I still don't think RJJ was technically as sound a boxer as Floyd at any stage of his career & Tyson was early on.