Does manny pacq Whoops Any Version of ODLH?

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  • sbbigmike
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    #21
    Originally posted by Roadblock
    So you cant come up with a single elite WW that Manny beat without a CW or coming of a bad loss ?
    Stop not picking and post his welter resume...

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      #22
      Originally posted by sbbigmike
      Oscar wasn't no killer is the message I'm trying to convey, oscar caught life and death from b level fighters, manny is above quartey, carr and guys oscar caught all types of hands from and guys oscar tasted canvas from him

      People have this myth oscar was a killer at welter that lie needs to stop, whether he was facing gatti, or Tito he was catching all types of hands, he doesn't survive manny....

      The lower division the easier for manny vs the historic weight Bully, who quit twice under heat, and historically ran for dear life in a fight he was dominating...b class fighter, with a bytch trait when shyt get tough is the Chicken De La Hoya I remember lol
      Manny is not above those guys at 147, Quartey would give him hell, any top WW gives Manny hell because he is not a WW and does not have the boxing skills of a Mayweather, Manny is a fighter and those elite WWs in top form have to much reach skills and guns, Manny dont even fight real WWs just very carefully selected ones either JWWS or damaged goods or CWed.

      For Manny to beat them from pillar to Post as you say he would have stopped all the B grader JWWs he fought and he didnt.

      As Ive said all along point out the WW Manny that beats them not a Manny that had a massive advantage by draining them or a WW coming of a career bad loss thats not true form thats beating a bag, you name one because its not there, its only there in your estimate not in shown reality.

      Floyd is not a true WW, the only difference with him is his brilliant defensive boxing, but I wouldnt be saying Floyd could beat Oscar Tito etc at WW, he might because of his boxing skills but its not a given, Manny I would bet the farm they blow him out.

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        #23
        No.

        Manny would not have beaten the Oscar that beat Whitaker & Ike Quartey

        Nothing against Pac.

        It's just no fighter in history who started at 108lbs would beat a prime De La Hoya

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        • Roadblock
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          #24
          Originally posted by sbbigmike
          Stop not picking and post his welter resume...
          Stop showing the truth you mean, as I said in the beginning you ride of name value not what were the conditions at the time, it matters so much when we are talking about in top form prime, Manny has not beat a single true WW, not one.

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          • hugh grant
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            #25
            You'd have to say yes. Dlh wasn't at his best i will believe that.
            Therefore we can give dlh benefit of doubt and say if he was at his best he could last 12 rounds with pac.
            But to say he'd ever beat pac is a bit of a stretch
            Last edited by hugh grant; 02-14-2021, 05:58 AM.

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              #26
              The very best version of Oscar will be the easiest fight for PAC even Oscar himself said that PAC is the greatest fighter he ever face.

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              • sbbigmike
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                #27
                Originally posted by Roadblock
                Manny is not above those guys at 147, Quartey would give him hell, any top WW gives Manny hell because he is not a WW and does not have the boxing skills of a Mayweather, Manny is a fighter and those elite WWs in top form have to much reach skills and guns, Manny dont even fight real WWs just very carefully selected ones either JWWS or damaged goods or CWed.

                For Manny to beat them from pillar to Post as you say he would have stopped all the B grader JWWs he fought and he didnt.

                As Ive said all along point out the WW Manny that beats them not a Manny that had a massive advantage by draining them or a WW coming of a career bad loss thats not true form thats beating a bag, you name one because its not there, its only there in your estimate not in shown reality.

                Floyd is not a true WW, the only difference with him is his brilliant defensive boxing, but I wouldnt be saying Floyd could beat Oscar Tito etc at WW, he might because of his boxing skills but its not a given, Manny I would bet the farm they blow him out.
                Weight draining by the time manny got to welter he evolved past weight classes, and oscar method of weight and scale bullying evolved too...what **** do I give about a guy that's 144 pounds soaking wet trying to gain a advantage when 90% of Welters walking around at 180-190, come into the fight 165...

                And manny just beat keith Thurman brooo..tim Bradley too

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by pasawayako
                  The very best version of Oscar will be the easiest fight for PAC even Oscar himself said that PAC is the greatest fighter he ever face.
                  He says it all the time, and he doesn't harp on the weight too much.

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                  • Roadblock
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by hugh grant
                    You'd have to say yes. Doh wasn't at his best i will believe that.
                    So we can give dlh benefit of doubt and say if he was at his best he could last 12 rounds with pac.
                    But to say he'd ever best pac is a stretch
                    How can it be a stretch when Manny hasnt beat a true WW, you think JMM could KO a Oscar Whittaker Quartey Chavez Trinidad, no fckn way, that group would go through Mannys WW resume like a dose of salts .

                    The thing with Manny fans is they dont see the match making that was done with Mannys career, they dont see the things like Mosley losing to Floyd and a draw with a B grader, they dont see Margarito out for 2 yrs looking like sht in a comeback fight then Manny at a CW in massive ring, they dont Hatton stopped by Floyd ******* habit new trainer his wife and family gone, they dont see Cotto of a near career ending beating and a CW, they dont see the long line of B grade JWWs pretending to be WWs.

                    They see hype and have rose colored glasses on .

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
                      Old shot Margarito beat Pac so bad he vowed never to fight at 154. What would DLH have done to him?
                      If I remember that fight correctly Pac beat the hell out of Margarito and won every round by a mile and almost knocked Margarito's eye out of his head.

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