Comments Thread For: Carlos Takam Wants Deontay Wilder, Andy Ruiz, Other Top Names

[Sid-Knee]

The fact that Bermane Stilverne, Povetkin and Ortiz, exist shows how weak this era is. The 90s you had Tommy Morrison, Mike Tyson, Rahman, Lennox Lewis, Holyfield, Rid**** Bowe, Buster Douglas could fight, and hell David Tua. All of them made more money and were a thousand times more entertaining than this generation half of which were just from the final days of the Klitzcho era which there only claim is they survived the Ukrainians' era.

The fact that Povetkin exists shows how weak this era is? The 90's was the best era in Heavy history, so not matching up to it isn't in any way shape or form a slant on this era because it isn't as good.

Do you think that way with any other era? Look who was in the Ali/Foreman/Frazier era with Bonavena, Norton, Young, Shavers, Lyle, Bugner, Chuvalo etc etc... Most of which are straight garbage. Every other era before and some since then are even worse. This is considered the "Golden era" to many. I don't agree, but many do.

The Klitschko era had the likes of Leapai, Thompson, Peter, Chambers, Brock, McCline, Sanders (Ahem), Brewster (Ahem again) etc etc... So if you think having fighters like Povetkin is bad, then look at this lousy list and thank whoever that it isn't this bad. Sorry, but you really don't know what you're talking about.

Make a reasonable argument, otherwise it will get trashed like this one did.

[Mmann2e]

The fact that Povetkin exists shows how weak this era is? The 90's was the best era in Heavy history, so not matching up to it isn't in any way shape or form a slant on this era because it isn't as good.

Do you think that way with any other era? Look who was in the Ali/Foreman/Frazier era with Bonavena, Norton, Young, Shavers, Lyle, Bugner, Chuvalo etc etc... Most of which are straight garbage. Every other era before and some since then are even worse. This is considered the "Golden era" to many. I don't agree, but many do.

The Klitschko era had the likes of Leapai, Thompson, Peter, Chambers, Brock, McCline, Sanders (Ahem), Brewster (Ahem again) etc etc... So if you think having fighters like Povetkin is bad, then look at this lousy list and thank whoever that it isn't this bad. Sorry, but you really don't know what you're talking about.

Make a reasonable argument, otherwise it will get trashed like this one did.

You have 3 over 40 fighters fighting in your heavyweight division as contenders, you just wish to bring up the weakest fighters in other era but still can't explain why Stiverne, Ortiz and Povetkin exist. If you have fighters in their forties fighting for titles it means your youth isn't coming up and in every sport but this era of boxing it seems are their more than one fighters especially a sport which relies on athleticism such as speed and power which is why so many fighters end up like SRR brain damaged, or like Ali brain damaged and have Parkinson's. I get it you don't want to admit that the heavyweight division suck, it takes away from your favorite heavyweight but news flash if boxing was thriving like those other eras the sport would have younger fighters entering their prime from 27-33 all the current with the exception of AJ and Fury would be gatekeepers or on the verge of retirement.

[Robbie Barrett]

You have 3 over 40 fighters fighting in your heavyweight division as contenders, you just wish to bring up the weakest fighters in other era but still can't explain why Stiverne, Ortiz and Povetkin exist. If you have fighters in their forties fighting for titles it means your youth isn't coming up and in every sport but this era of boxing it seems are their more than one fighters especially a sport which relies on athleticism such as speed and power which is why so many fighters end up like SRR brain damaged, or like Ali brain damaged and have Parkinson's. I get it you don't want to admit that the heavyweight division suck, it takes away from your favorite heavyweight but news flash if boxing was thriving like those other eras the sport would have younger fighters entering their prime from 27-33 all the current with the exception of AJ and Fury would be gatekeepers or on the verge of retirement.

This is the truth. It's not like these guys were killers in their younger days either. So they aren't there because they were amazingly skilled. Povetkin was a contender in his prime and is still a contender way past prime, what does that tell you? That the competition is even weaker than it was in the Klitschko era.

[Sid-Knee]

You have 3 over 40 fighters fighting in your heavyweight division as contenders, you just wish to bring up the weakest fighters in other era but still can't explain why Stiverne, Ortiz and Povetkin exist. If you have fighters in their forties fighting for titles it means your youth isn't coming up and in every sport but this era of boxing it seems are their more than one fighters especially a sport which relies on athleticism such as speed and power which is why so many fighters end up like SRR brain damaged, or like Ali brain damaged and have Parkinson's. I get it you don't want to admit that the heavyweight division suck, it takes away from your favorite heavyweight but news flash if boxing was thriving like those other eras the sport would have younger fighters entering their prime from 27-33 all the current with the exception of AJ and Fury would be gatekeepers or on the verge of retirement.

Who are these 3? Stiverne hasn't been a contender at any point. He's just a bum who picked up the vacant title after Vitali retired in a fight with another bum in Arreola. But we know why that fight happened because Sullimain always made sure to get Mexicans/ Mexican Americans shots at titles they didn't deserve. After the beating from Wilder, he was shot to pieces. Every era has had many shot fighters still around. So to say it's exclusive to just this era is showing you're talking what you clearly don't know.

Povetkin was still good until after the AJ loss. Again, many fighters have been top fighters later in their careers in the Heavyweight division. Norton against Holmes. Shmelling against Louis. Foreman against Moorer. There's loads.

Ortiz has never really been a contender. All he's done is beat Jennings years ago who was coming off a loss. It was the US, Wilder and his nutter fans who bigged him up to make him out to be something he never was. If you think getting 2 title shots against a coward in Wilder supports your "Reasoning", then you're horribly wrong. Wilder cherry picked just like he did with his whole "Career". They're both jokes. But it still isn't exclusive to this one era. Every era has had much worse than an Ortiz. I mean, what are you actually smoking?

[Sid-Knee]

This is the truth. It's not like these guys were killers in their younger days either. So they aren't there because they were amazingly skilled. Povetkin was a contender in his prime and is still a contender way past prime, what does that tell you? That the competition is even weaker than it was in the Klitschko era.

You think that nutter had a sound argument? It was in fact ridiculous and untrue. Only someone in need of a carer would think it was sound.

[Mmann2e]

Who are these 3? Stiverne hasn't been a contender at any point. He's just a bum who picked up the vacant title after Vitali retired in a fight with another bum in Arreola. But we know why that fight happened because Sullimain always made sure to get Mexicans/ Mexican Americans shots at titles they didn't deserve. After the beating from Wilder, he was shot to pieces. Every era has had many shot fighters still around. So to say it's exclusive to just this era is showing you're talking what you clearly don't know.

Povetkin was still good until after the AJ loss. Again, many fighters have been top fighters later in their careers in the Heavyweight division. Norton against Holmes. Shmelling against Louis. Foreman against Moorer. There's loads.

Ortiz has never really been a contender. All he's done is beat Jennings years ago who was coming off a loss. It was the US, Wilder and his nutter fans who bigged him up to make him out to be something he never was. If you think getting 2 title shots against a coward in Wilder supports your "Reasoning", then you're horribly wrong. Wilder cherry picked just like he did with his whole "Career". They're both jokes. But it still isn't exclusive to this one era. Every era has had much worse than an Ortiz. I mean, what are you actually smoking?

I've been diplomatic this whole exchange with you but since you're an idiot who can't understand that boxing as a global and US sport future is on life support I'll spell it out for you slowpoke. Your top fighters are 34-43; I don't care what your idiotic belief is that's why the sport doesn't get sponsorship from outside forces that's why it's not talked about on social media except by hardcore fans. Floyd Mayweather is the most talked about boxer and that's pretty bad for the sport if he is. Your golden division has no fighter in the top ten under 30, you can b!+ch and moan how Stiverne got a title but the fact the WBA in 2021 allowed for him to fight for any belt and the WBC allowed Povetkin shows boxing is going to have harder time getting across the masses. And know this it's always been about the money jackass, and none of those heavyweights outside of Joshua can get an endorsement deal is a problem. The biggest problem is no one in the lower weights will get one either, Bud Crawford won't have any large endorsements deals, Spence, Tank and Charlo brothers won't either. Canelo got into an argument about pay from DAZN yet if he was making Kevin Durant, Lebron James, Mike Trout or Tom Brady endorsement money he may have gone through with fighting GGG. Athletes from all sports: MLB, NFL, World Cup, NBA, NHL and even NASCAR have higher profile than boxing. Even UFC gets more views, video games and other promoting and marketing than boxing and they can do PPV during a pandemic and make a profit which you can't say the same about boxing. So call me a nutter all you you want, you're an out of touch idiot that hasn't realized that boxing has not only become a niche sport that's smaller and smaller and thought of as a circus but also in the 1960s- 1990s boxing was talked about world wide, and I'm sorry England but your successor country out ranks you in marketing and where people spend their money, to having to fight when the professional sport teams aren't having their championship games or worse when the series is decided. Now if you want that for boxing cool but when your back watching them fight in high school gyms don't ask where they went wrong.

[Mmann2e]

This is the truth. It's not like these guys were killers in their younger days either. So they aren't there because they were amazingly skilled. Povetkin was a contender in his prime and is still a contender way past prime, what does that tell you? That the competition is even weaker than it was in the Klitschko era.

The 3 fighters in the top 20 in earnings are Fury, Joshua, and Wilder they make up for give or take 130-150 million of the 280 million boxing made and on their PPV you know maybe 5-10 million went to guys on the undercard depending on the fight and the fighters. Now I'm being conservative with 5-10 million but let's say that's the number until June 2020 that leaves with 120 million divided between fighters and those fighter received less because not a lot wanted to watch. Without endorsement those fighters get desperate and take any fight or they eventually they chose other careers. Now younger boxers seeing this don't even try and just leave the sport causing a drain in recruitment and less young fighters; which in turn means sponsorship get shy because they don't see long terms investment ie; young fighters who they can sell more than just athletics. Thank you for noticing boxing problems also.

[Sid-Knee]

I've been diplomatic this whole exchange with you but since you're an idiot who can't understand that boxing as a global and US sport future is on life support I'll spell it out for you slowpoke. Your top fighters are 34-43; I don't care what your idiotic belief is that's why the sport doesn't get sponsorship from outside forces that's why it's not talked about on social media except by hardcore fans. Floyd Mayweather is the most talked about boxer and that's pretty bad for the sport if he is. Your golden division has no fighter in the top ten under 30, you can b!+ch and moan how Stiverne got a title but the fact the WBA in 2021 allowed for him to fight for any belt and the WBC allowed Povetkin shows boxing is going to have harder time getting across the masses. And know this it's always been about the money jackass, and none of those heavyweights outside of Joshua can get an endorsement deal is a problem. The biggest problem is no one in the lower weights will get one either, Bud Crawford won't have any large endorsements deals, Spence, Tank and Charlo brothers won't either. Canelo got into an argument about pay from DAZN yet if he was making Kevin Durant, Lebron James, Mike Trout or Tom Brady endorsement money he may have gone through with fighting GGG. Athletes from all sports: MLB, NFL, World Cup, NBA, NHL and even NASCAR have higher profile than boxing. Even UFC gets more views, video games and other promoting and marketing than boxing and they can do PPV during a pandemic and make a profit which you can't say the same about boxing. So call me a nutter all you you want, you're an out of touch idiot that hasn't realized that boxing has not only become a niche sport that's smaller and smaller and thought of as a circus but also in the 1960s- 1990s boxing was talked about world wide, and I'm sorry England but your successor country out ranks you in marketing and where people spend their money, to having to fight when the professional sport teams aren't having their championship games or worse when the series is decided. Now if you want that for boxing cool but when your back watching them fight in high school gyms don't ask where they went wrong.

I'm the idiot, but here you are making the argument about this era based on Stiverne, Povetkin and Ortiz being contenders even though it isn't exclusive to this era as it's happened in EVERY single era in history. That isn't an argument, it's to show how ****** and inarticulate you are. It's beyond dumb.

Now you're claiming Stiverne (Who is shot, and has been for years) is still a contender because he fought for a shltty none version of the WBA . No, ******. He fought for it because he's with that crook Don King and the situation surrounding that piece of garbage afforded him the chance. But you'd have to know about that situation to understand that. You don't. Which is clear. You can't understand simple words nor place a legitimate argument any better than a monkey could.

By the way, boxing is international, not just the US. Ignorant arsehole. So that nonsense you wrote, even though it has nothing to do with your devoid argument about the quality of the heavyweight division, was pointless.

[Mmann2e]

I'm the idiot, but here you are making the argument about this era based on Stiverne, Povetkin and Ortiz being contenders even though it isn't exclusive to this era as it's happened in EVERY single era in history. That isn't an argument, it's to show how ****** and inarticulate you are. It's beyond dumb.

Now you're claiming Stiverne (Who is shot, and has been for years) is still a contender because he fought for a shltty none version of the WBA . No, ******. He fought for it because he's with that crook Don King and the situation surrounding that piece of garbage afforded him the chance. But you'd have to know about that situation to understand that. You don't. Which is clear. You can't understand simple words nor place a legitimate argument any better than a monkey could.

By the way, boxing is international, not just the US. Ignorant arsehole. So that nonsense you wrote, even though it has nothing to do with your devoid argument about the quality of the heavyweight division, was pointless.

Yes numnuts you are the idiot, you think that boxings doing well when it isn't. You think the purses matter when by time it gets divide up the dudes break even long term and judging by your idiotic response in other threads you really don't have a brain past "this fight good, me want to see a fight a not believe in consequences. Me think UK great, me wish to be in monarchy that has no authority" . I could keep going but you're a low hanging fruit, as if you had anything meaningful to say other poster would respond but you misread sarcasm and honestly you can't see past your own one dimensional vision. You and I can keep going monkey as I look forward to seeing how many sentences a chimp can write.

[Sid-Knee]

Yes numnuts you are the idiot, you think that boxings doing well when it isn't. You think the purses matter when by time it gets divide up the dudes break even long term and judging by your idiotic response in other threads you really don't have a brain past "this fight good, me want to see a fight a not believe in consequences. Me think UK great, me wish to be in monarchy that has no authority" . I could keep going but you're a low hanging fruit, as if you had anything meaningful to say other poster would respond but you misread sarcasm and honestly you can't see past your own one dimensional vision. You and I can keep going monkey as I look forward to seeing how many sentences a chimp can write.

Haha, What is this? Your argument made no sense. As it wasn't exclusive to just this era. You could have made the argument in an intelligent way, but that's beyond your capabilities.

Who mentioned purses? Learn what a strawman argument is, Americans do this like it's a national sport.

"This fight good"??? You're even more ****** than i first thought. You're going on about a discussion we weren't even having. It must be the one going on with yourself in your own head.

Who said anything about the UK being great? God, are you desperate. Lay off the glue.

You're talking about the Monarchy now? Damn, you t2rds in the US need intervention. Quick.

You're reading my posts after clicking on my profile? Then you should learn who the idiot is i'm talking to in that thread. He's a hypocrite. His comment made no sense in relation to the comment he was quoting. He was making a statement, not being sarcastic. Go and read the post he was replying to then read his comment to understand. Actually, don't hurt your head in trying. You won't make it.

I take back what i said in relation to you being ******. It's not your fault you were born in the asylum called the U.S. You're a victim. You're just following the others in licking windows and think that's the way the world works. But hey, at least your windows sparkle?

F2ck me! Haha.