Comments Thread For: Manager: Pacquiao or McGregor Would Beat Mayweather in Rematch

[Yaconcha]

Castillo didn’t win either fight.
Maidana didn’t win either fight.
The worst damage ever inflicted in floyd mayweather was a bloodied nose inflicted by Miguel cotto.
I can see how some “fight” fans don’t agree with “boxing” fans on this issue. The boxing fans see what the fight fans don’t. Anyone get that?
The proof is in the pudding, when do we ever see any kind of damage on him? Never.
The Castillo, maidana fights just looked a bit more challenging for him because of their fighting styles but none of it worked.
He would beat conor but not sure about Pac-Man because we’ve seen a new beast in manny, a renewed beast.

[Fighter78]

Who did Floyd not fight oh that's easy. He did not fight an all time great fighter in their prime

You gonna answer the question or are you just a simple minded bull$h!tter? Smdh

[MCFM]

If Froid was claiming these 2 guys are "eziest money of his life", why would he not take it but would still fight a youtuber?

Answer:
TMT = Two Missing Testicles

[b Murphington]

Mosley was shot.

Hatton was a 140 fighter, but Floyd wanted more guarantees with Joe Cortez to f3ck Hatton over.

JMM???? Hahahaha. A Lightweight who Floyd f3cked over by not coming in at the contracted weight? Whilst Floyd is a Welter? Floyd ran away for 2 years while the top Welters beat each other up and took a lot out of each other. Then Floyd came back and still wasn't comfortable in fighting those guys. He waited years just so he could get them weak. The way he likes it.

Cotto was way past his best and hadn't had a win of worth for years. The last time was Joshua Clottey.

Manny he ducked until he was way past his best but still shlt himself with his voice breaking in the press conference. Have you forgotten that? Look on YT to see if it's still there. Floyd is yellow.

De La Hoya was way past his best too. When was the last time Oscar beat someone who wasn't shot? After the Floyd fight? Go and look, it's an embarrassment. Yeah, the fight took place at LightMiddle which suited Oscar, but Floyd still needed him to become a star. Even though Oscar was done. He beat him by a point on my card so it was razor thin for Floyd.

Gatti again was done.

Canelo drained like Canelo the coward does to his victims.

These where hot tickets where they? Up there with the Marquez, Cotto, Barrera, Morales fights and such? No they weren't. Most of Floyd's career was smoke and mirrors. He started well with Hernandez, Corrales and Castillo. But after the close shave with castillo in fight 1, Floyd made sure to cherry pick the daylights out of his opponents. Don't even dare claim otherwise.

Mosley was coming off a great performance against Margarito and on a 2 fight win streak. He was not shot. If the version of Mosley that Mayweather fought was shot, then the version of Mosley that Pacquiao fought was even worse, seeing that he fought an older Mosley.

It wasn’t the first time Hatton fought at 147.

Cotto was coming off a near shutout win against Margarito. He fought a perfect fight and he was on a 3 fight win streak at the time, all by stoppage. They weren’t great opponents, but Cotto was far from done at that time as he turned out great performances since then.

Manny is the one who walked away from negotiations in 2010.


“Floyd still needed Oscar to become a star.” So what? A proverbial passing of the torch happens all the time in this sport. Pacquiao needed to do the exact same thing to an older and weight drained version of Oscar to become a star. What’s your point?

Gatti was defending a championship for the 3rd time and was on a 5 fight win streak at the time. Nowhere near done.

Canelo is the one who suggested a catch weight in the first place! He said he would do it at 150!!! Mayweather would be an idiot not to agree to that.

https://www.boxingscene.com/saul-alv...ther-jr--46563

I can’t really say anything about the JMM bout. It was a cheap win for Mayweather, but all of these other bouts discussed here are real wins for Mayweather.

[Larry the boss]

McGreggor even being mentioned in the same article as Manny or Floyd is hilarious

[elfag]

looked like he carried him ? That’s an understatement.

floyd didnt even start until the 4th.


he backed him up and pressured him from a high guard without throwing punches for the first 9 minutes to exhaust him

[Sid-Knee]

Mosley was coming off a great performance against Margarito and on a 2 fight win streak. He was not shot. If the version of Mosley that Mayweather fought was shot, then the version of Mosley that Pacquiao fought was even worse, seeing that he fought an older Mosley.

It wasn’t the first time Hatton fought at 147.

Cotto was coming off a near shutout win against Margarito. He fought a perfect fight and he was on a 3 fight win streak at the time, all by stoppage. They weren’t great opponents, but Cotto was far from done at that time as he turned out great performances since then.

Manny is the one who walked away from negotiations in 2010.


“Floyd still needed Oscar to become a star.” So what? A proverbial passing of the torch happens all the time in this sport. Pacquiao needed to do the exact same thing to an older and weight drained version of Oscar to become a star. What’s your point?

Gatti was defending a championship for the 3rd time and was on a 5 fight win streak at the time. Nowhere near done.

Canelo is the one who suggested a catch weight in the first place! He said he would do it at 150!!! Mayweather would be an idiot not to agree to that.

https://www.boxingscene.com/saul-alv...ther-jr--46563

I can’t really say anything about the JMM bout. It was a cheap win for Mayweather, but all of these other bouts discussed here are real wins for Mayweather.

Mosley WAS coming off a great win. But that doesn't mean he wasn't shot. Mosley just had one more great fight left in him. But it was against a fighter coming from a war that took something out of him and having the wrap controversy on his mind before stepping into the ring. After this though, Mosley was done. He'd been out of the ring for 16 months before the Floyd fight.

Why would you mention Manny? Yes, it meant nothing too because Mosley was even more gone by that point.

Hatton had fought at Welter before against Collazo. This is where we realised he wasn't a Welter. So did Floyd, which is why he wanted it there to gain another advantage.

Margarito was shot against Cotto in the rematch. It meant absolutely nothing. After the beatings by Mosley and Manny he was done. He should never have really been in the ring that night considering the damage to his eye.

Cotto was beating shot fighters and bums through all that. The only legit world level win was against Clottey years earlier. Michael Grant was able to put wins together against bums even though he'd been a shot fighter for years after Lewis took his soul too. Racking up wins only means something if there is substance there. Not just against any old palooka. Performing against one of those compared to an actual world level fighter is worlds away. It's the difference between a bum and world championship level.

Floyd's excuses just kept on racking up. They were road blocks. Floyd didn't want that fight the same way he didn't want to fight many others. Don't insult my intelligence by trying to tell me different. If it was just the drug testing, Floyd wouldn't have come up with many other reasons as to why the fight couldn't happen. Many of those reasons were Wilder level. But hey, cowards aren't exactly the smartest people.

To become a star or not against Oscar, the fact still stands that he was a finished fighter pretty much by that stage. How many years was it before that point where Oscar actually beat a solid world class fighter without them being smaller, ripped off on the cards, or completely done?

Having a title didn't in any way shape or form dictate whether Gatti was done or not. He just was. Title or not. Plus the title was a vacant one against a fringe level guy in Branco. It doesn't say much. Ricky Burns won a title years after first becoming shot in his third weight class. When he was relieved of it by Indongo, it didn't make it a good world class win for him. Why? Because he was shot.

I know Canelo was the one prepared to drain himself to get the fight. Still doesn't change the fact Floyd accepted against a weakened foe. Canelo wouldn't have got the fight otherwise. If Floyd or anyone else for that matter doesn't like me pointing out reasons for why his wins are tainted, then they shouldn't commit the crimes in the first place. No one is forcing them to. When cowardice rules, you have to accept when people refuse to give you the respect you demand. Respect is earned the proper way, not with manipulation and trying to stack the deck like a little b1tch.

[HewJohnson]

He ain’t wrong.
PAC arguably beat him the first fight.

[b Murphington]

Mosley WAS coming off a great win. But that doesn't mean he wasn't shot. Mosley just had one more great fight left in him. But it was against a fighter coming from a war that took something out of him and having the wrap controversy on his mind before stepping into the ring. After this though, Mosley was done. He'd been out of the ring for 16 months before the Floyd fight.

Why would you mention Manny? Yes, it meant nothing too because Mosley was even more gone by that point.

Hatton had fought at Welter before against Collazo. This is where we realised he wasn't a Welter. So did Floyd, which is why he wanted it there to gain another advantage.

Margarito was shot against Cotto in the rematch. It meant absolutely nothing. After the beatings by Mosley and Manny he was done. He should never have really been in the ring that night considering the damage to his eye.

Cotto was beating shot fighters and bums through all that. The only legit world level win was against Clottey years earlier. Michael Grant was able to put wins together against bums even though he'd been a shot fighter for years after Lewis took his soul too. Racking up wins only means something if there is substance there. Not just against any old palooka. Performing against one of those compared to an actual world level fighter is worlds away. It's the difference between a bum and world championship level.

Floyd's excuses just kept on racking up. They were road blocks. Floyd didn't want that fight the same way he didn't want to fight many others. Don't insult my intelligence by trying to tell me different. If it was just the drug testing, Floyd wouldn't have come up with many other reasons as to why the fight couldn't happen. Many of those reasons were Wilder level. But hey, cowards aren't exactly the smartest people.

To become a star or not against Oscar, the fact still stands that he was a finished fighter pretty much by that stage. How many years was it before that point where Oscar actually beat a solid world class fighter without them being smaller, ripped off on the cards, or completely done?

Having a title didn't in any way shape or form dictate whether Gatti was done or not. He just was. Title or not. Plus the title was a vacant one against a fringe level guy in Branco. It doesn't say much. Ricky Burns won a title years after first becoming shot in his third weight class. When he was relieved of it by Indongo, it didn't make it a good world class win for him. Why? Because he was shot.

I know Canelo was the one prepared to drain himself to get the fight. Still doesn't change the fact Floyd accepted against a weakened foe. Canelo wouldn't have got the fight otherwise. If Floyd or anyone else for that matter doesn't like me pointing out reasons for why his wins are tainted, then they shouldn't commit the crimes in the first place. No one is forcing them to. When cowardice rules, you have to accept when people refuse to give you the respect you demand. Respect is earned the proper way, not with manipulation and trying to stack the deck like a little b1tch.

Look man. The whole point of my post is that you just outright discredit pretty much half of his resume and people do that all the time. Matchmaking or not, to have the record he put together is impressive and he beat who he needed to beat to get to where he got in his career. Is his resume the best? No it’s not and he could have done more and there are others who had better resumes. But that doesn’t mean that what he’s done doesn’t count or that the wins he won, don’t count. I don’t think that’s fair to him as a boxer. Not all of his wins are great wins and not all of his wins are weighted the same, but when you go ahead and pick apart the resume and then call him a b*tch, that’s just hating without merit. And there’s many top level guys with way worse of a resume than Mayweather’s and a lot of people don’t bat an eye.

And anyone can take a guys resume and pick it apart. It’s easy to do that after the fact. You don’t have to be a fan and I get it because a lot of people don’t like him, but at least give respect where respect is due.

[Sid-Knee]

Look man. The whole point of my post is that you just outright discredit pretty much half of his resume and people do that all the time. Matchmaking or not, to have the record he put together is impressive and he beat who he needed to beat to get to where he got in his career. Is his resume the best? No it’s not and he could have done more and there are others who had better resumes. But that doesn’t mean that what he’s done doesn’t count or that the wins he won, don’t count. I don’t think that’s fair to him as a boxer. Not all of his wins are great wins and not all of his wins are weighted the same, but when you go ahead and pick apart the resume and then call him a b*tch, that’s just hating without merit. And there’s many top level guys with way worse of a resume than Mayweather’s and a lot of people don’t bat an eye.

And anyone can take a guys resume and pick it apart. It’s easy to do that after the fact. You don’t have to be a fan and I get it because a lot of people don’t like him, but at least give respect where respect is due.

I'm not doing it to be spiteful like a hater would. I do it because it's the truth. I'm not going to be treated like a mug because he wants to pull the wool over my eyes and convince me he was honourable in going after the best to prove his words of "TBE" when it clearly isn't true. He didn't do it with just 2-3 fights, he did it with most of his career. No way will i see him like real greats who wanted to truly prove themselves the right way and paid the price for it. They earned their reputations like warriors. Floyd went about it like an entitled coward who picked them at their weakest. Fights that should never have come off just kept on coming. But the fights that needed to happen to prove his words weren't hollow always had as many roadblocks he could muster put before them.

Sorry, this isn't a charity. You want the credit? Earn it properly. If you want to play around and think i won't see the difference, then that's on him. If he can't accept the truth being put to him, then he shouldn't have done what he did all the time. Floyd has the reputation he deserves. I won't see it any other way other then what it was. Smoke and mirrors.

Was he great? Absolutely. Was he as great as he wants us to see him as? Not even close. He had the skill, but not the heart and mind. It's a shame, but it is what it is. He had the pick of those fights whenever he wanted them. Many great fighters never had that choices he had so had to scrap and climb just to get some big fights so they could prove their worth. Not Floyd, they were there pretty much from the get go. And he let them pretty much all go when they mattered.