Would Floyd still be undefeated if he had fought..

[thebrownbomber_]

Floyds prime was below 147. That doesn't mean he wasn't an elite, legit pound for pound number 1 fighter at or above 147, it just means that the best version of him (which is what prime means) was below welterweight. He's that good. But to compare his condition to Cotto (knocked out 2x before fighting Floyd) Pacquaio (knocked out brutally and was in tough fights just before fighting Floyd) Marquez, who's prime was closer to feather weight than welter, as evidence that Floyd was equally past his prime as the above is kinda ridiculous.

Floyd was much closer to his prime than they were and it s not close. The literal age of a fighter means nothing. Hopkins was still in his prime in his mid to late 30s and so was fighters like Glen Johnson etc, different fighters peak at different times and those opponents Floyds that I named, were either knocked out brutally or in several wars just prior to Floyd.

Actually, Floyd fought Cotto right after Cotto dominated Margarito in their rematch and was likely feeling far better that he avenged that loss. Pacquiao was also rejuvinating himself following the Marquez loss. Floyd himself was involved in a war with Marcos Maidana before this. I agree on Marquez, Floyd should have made the 147 weight cut, though Marquez did have his career defining performance at Welterweight.

[Da Pimper]

Mayweather..... loooong retired, but still kills the casuals LMAO

I killed your mom in bed lol.

Take your fanboy crap somewhere else.

[thebrownbomber_]

BTW- Pacquaio was knocked out several times before 2003, when he would elevate his standing against Barrera in a very good fight. A fighter isn't defined by their losses, but how they bounce back, which is what both Paxquiao and Cotto did before they fought floyd

[slicksouthpaw16]

Actually, Floyd fought Cotto right after Cotto dominated Margarito in their rematch and was likely feeling far better that he avenged that loss. Pacquiao was also rejuvinating himself following the Marquez loss. Floyd himself was involved in a war with Marcos Maidana before this. I agree on Marquez, Floyd should have made the 147 weight cut, though Marquez did have his career defining performance at Welterweight.

I meant that the accumulative effect of those earlier fights, definitely damaged Cotto, his skin was never the same and his punch resistance (which was better after he moved up and quit draining himself at 140), was no where near the same. Compare the prime Cotto that blasted Quintana in his welter debut and out boxed Mosley, to the one that Floyd fought that faded down the stretch, cut etc.

I agree that they both were on decent streaks and were formidable while fighting Floyd. My only point was that they were past their prime, and Floyd was much closer to his than vice versa.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Cotto was the never the same post Margarito to be honest

[slicksouthpaw16]

BTW- Pacquaio was knocked out several times before 2003, when he would elevate his standing against Barrera in a very good fight. A fighter isn't defined by their losses, but how they bounce back, which is what both Paxquiao and Cotto did before they fought floyd

And did you see those early Pac knockouts in his earlier losses? Lol One looked like an absolute dive and the other was a body shot. Those aren't the kind of fights typically, that take years off of a fighters career. He was completely out cold vs Marquez and concussed.

[boogbx]

This is extremely funny.

Floyd "picked" shane mosley when shane mosley had absolutely dominated Margarito.

Floyd "picked" Canelo who was the toughest opponent on paper and many believed he would win. After, people like you made more excuses then the mike tyson fanbase itself.

Floyd "picked" Pacman when Pacman had rejuvinated himself following his loss to Marquez. (BTW- Floyd began showing his age in the maidana fights).

Floyd "picked" De La Hoya and Cotto by challenging them at their more natural weights (unlike pacquiao who made the two kill themselves to make weight.

Floyd "picked" to fight Angel Manfredy right after he won his title.

Floyd "picked" Castillo by moving up in weight to 135 and fighting him his FIRST FIGHT at that weight.

Floyd "picked" Diego Corrales

Floyd haters are some of the most delusional people to ever exist. He somehow ducked Margarito by fighting the guy who absolutely demolished him and was the top dog at Welterweight.

I’m a Floyd hater? I’m a huge Floyd fan, he just ain’t an ATG of our wonderful sport.

First off you mention fighters at 135? Why are you bringing up fighters 2 weight classes below?

You also mention Marg after that war with Cotto? Not the Marg I reference while he was on a tear up to the Cintron fight , which was when I felt he had his best shot.

Most those fighters had weight clauses, etc or weren’t prime period. Great names on a resume but an objective fan understands they were handpicked.

You really feel he would’ve beat a prime Williams before the Walter Matthysse fight?

You really feel he beats Wright at 154?

Right on but I completely disagree.

[boogbx]

Actually yes Floyd is an ATG, not top 10 though.

No order but ranked above Floyd.

Salvador Sanchez
Julio Cesar Chavez
Roberto Duran
Roy Jones jr
Muhammed Ali
Archie Moore
Sugar Ray Robinson
Sugar Ray Leonard
Manny Pacquiao
Tommy Hearns
Ezzard Charles
Henry Armstrong
Alexis Arguello
Ricardo Lopez

[Johnny2x2x]

As mentioned, Winky Wright is the toughest opponent in that list. GGG at 154 is tough too. He beats everyone else.

[thebrownbomber_]

BTW- Pacquaio was knocked out several times before 2003, when he would elevate his standing against Barrera in a very good fight. A fighter isn't defined by their losses, but how they bounce back, which is what both Paxquiao and Cotto did before they fought floyd

I meant that the accumulative effect of those earlier fights, definitely damaged Cotto, his skin was never the same and his punch resistance (which was better after he moved up and quit draining himself at 140), was no where near the same. Compare the prime Cotto that blasted Quintana in his welter debut and out boxed Mosley, to the one that Floyd fought that faded down the stretch, cut etc.

I agree that they both were on decent streaks and were formidable while fighting Floyd. My only point was that they were past their prime, and Floyd was much closer to his than vice versa.

Good pont but it's not Mayweather's fault that his opponents aren't as defensively minded. Compare the Mayweather who fought cotto when he was 35 to Pretty Boy who dogwalked corrales, utterly dismantled angel manfredy in 2 rounds, moves up to 135 and beats Jose Castillo with one arm, takes a rematch and dominates. Savagely batters Arturo Gatti, makes legendary adjustements against Zab Judah, dominates Baldomir, moves up to 154 and fights De La Hoya, the champion at that weight class, as a welterweight.