If Haney fought Kambosos....

[Mammoth]

I don’t even dislike Haney. I just think he’s completely unproven. I don’t like Ryan Garcia but I give him credit cause he’s proven himself, Haney still hasn’t.

Sometimes these things take time

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

No, man. That was a terrible fight that could have gone either way. Prior to that Selby couldn't even separate himself from the friggin' Rickster. Kambosos has proven to struggle at mid tier level.

I had it 116-112 Kambosos, genuinely wasn’t close from my perspective. Kambosos controlled the action, landed the cleaner punches and outworked Selby. Selby boxed very negative IMO.

What separates Haney from Kambosos in your opinion other than the eye test?

You obviously rate Haney from what you’ve seen but I just don’t. I don’t see it in the kid.

If they fought, I’d probably pick Haney by decision but I see it being competitive and it wouldn’t surprise if Kambosos won.

[Mammoth]

I had it 116-112 Kambosos, genuinely wasn’t close from my perspective. Kambosos controlled the action, landed the cleaner punches and outworked Selby. Selby boxed very negative IMO.

What separates Haney from Kambosos in your opinion other than the eye test?

You obviously rate Haney from what you’ve seen but I just don’t. I don’t see it in the kid.

If they fought, I’d probably pick Haney by decision but I see it being competitive and it wouldn’t surprise if Kambosos won.

The eye test. The gap in skill is pretty wide. Kambosos looks lost in there to me.

[Eff Pandas]

Right, but they call a $10M fight with Kambosos a duck and when Teo asked Hearn to match that for Haney, they say he’s “over pricing himself.” Yet, Haney made $5M for fighting Gamboa. Following that logic, why can’t the undisputed champion get paid twice as much as the email champion?

I mean that's the game.

Folks get too into the sh^t talk with logical sh^t & hypocrisy talk & whatever else rational type takes on it.

It's all hype. It's to get folks talking about you. The logical guy in boxing doesn't make as many headlines or garner as much clickbait for sites & therefore doesn't make as much money. Don't hate the player, hate the game in other words but also realize it IS a game.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

The eye test. The gap in skill is pretty wide. Kambosos looks lost in there to me.

I think he’s better than you’re giving him credit for, he has decent fundamentals. He puts his shots together pretty well too. For example the the uppercut combination he dropped Bey with was pretty impressive IMO. Admittedly though a lot of this comes down to perspective, same with Haney.

I’m not sure Roach is the right type of coach for him, he looks a little conflicted between styles at times but overall he’s a solid fighter IMO. I’d say he’s bottom end of the top 10 at 135.

[Bain01D]

I thought he beat Selby pretty clearly.

Who has Haney beat better than Selby?

Haney-Kambosos is a competitive fight IMO.

I thought Selby won comfortably but then I am a bit of a fan boy and struggle to score objectively

[Bain01D]

I don’t even dislike Haney. I just think he’s completely unproven. I don’t like Ryan Garcia but I give him credit cause he’s proven himself, Haney still hasn’t.

Benn is terrible man, he looked better but he still hasn’t won an area level title. I liked what he said post fight though, seems he wants to test himself domestically.

You can’t say ‘he hasn’t won an area title’ as if that’s a negative! He jumped straight past that level as he’s well above it

He comfortably beat someone who has only ever lost on points to Porter, so he is far from ‘terrible’

[Lupara]

Kambosos beat Selby by a couple rounds I thought

The Bey fight was close until Kambosos pulled away and knocked him down in the last round

Haney v Kambosos would be a good fight I think

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You can’t say ‘he hasn’t won an area title’ as if that’s a negative! He jumped straight past that level as he’s well above it

He comfortably beat someone who has only ever lost on points to Porter, so he is far from ‘terrible’

Formella didn’t win one second of one round against Porter. It literally means nothing other than he’s durable. Phil Lo Greco went the distance with Porter for example, we all know how bad he is.

I’ll give Benn credit in the sense that he’s improved his game though, he looks better than he was, but he’s still yet to prove himself domestically.

I don’t know how closely you follow the domestic scene but would you pick Formella to beat English Champion Ekow Essuman? I certainly wouldn’t.

I’d like to see Benn mix it with Essuman, Clay, Kongo etc. We’ll find out what he’s made of in those sorts of fights. Unfortunately Hearn is incredibly reluctant to make these sort of fights, he’d rather put his guys in with European nobodies with padded records if we’re being brutal.

[Bain01D]

Formella didn’t win one second of one round against Porter. It literally means nothing other than he’s durable. Phil Lo Greco went the distance with Porter for example, we all know how bad he is.

I’ll give Benn credit in the sense that he’s improved his game though, he looks better than he was, but he’s still yet to prove himself domestically.

I don’t know how closely you follow the domestic scene but would you pick Formella to beat English Champion Ekow Essuman? I certainly wouldn’t.

I’d like to see Benn mix it with Essuman, Clay, Kongo etc. We’ll find out what he’s made of in those sorts of fights. Unfortunately Hearn is incredibly reluctant to make these sort of fights, he’d rather put his guys in with European nobodies with padded records if we’re being brutal.

I follow it fairly closely, haven’t seen loads of Essuman but quite a bit of clay and Kongo. Domestically for me I think McKinson could be the next big thing, he hasn’t beaten an names but beaten quite a few other unbeaten up and comers.

I don’t disagree with a lot of what you say, has Benn proven himself over the names we have mentioned? Maybe not?

Where we differ is you are saying he is ‘terrible’. If we speak about the names above a good fighters, prospects, potential then you have to include Benn in that bracket.

You might think he is over hyped but he’s far from a ‘terrible’ fighter. It’s a matter of opinion at the end of the day until the fights happen and it’s proven