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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    UFC puts boxing on ropes except in fighters' salaries

    VERY INTERESTING READ.

    IN DEPTH: UFC puts boxing on ropes except in fighters' salaries

    Emerging sport's popularity rockets past 'sweet science' despite pay inequity

    By KEVIN IOLE
    REVIEW-JOURNAL

    The Ultimate Fighting Championship, the Las Vegas-based mixed martial arts promoter, has in just over five years drawn even with boxing by most objective standards.

    The UFC routinely sells as many pay-per-views for its fights as boxing does. It nearly always draws larger crowds to its arena shows. Its television ratings dwarf boxing numbers and compete well against other professional sports on cable.

    But the one area in which the UFC lags behind boxing is in fighter salaries, particularly at the top level of the sport.

    On March 19, 2005, at the MGM Grand, Erik Morales and Manny Pacquiao engaged in one of the most competitive boxing matches of the year. It was also the year's fifth best-selling pay-per-view, generating 350,000 buys at $44.95 a buy.

    Almost a month later, the UFC staged a pay-per-view at the MGM featuring a rematch between Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture. Though the UFC refuses to comment on its pay-per-view sales -- "We're a private company and we've made a business decision not to disclose that information," UFC president Dana White said -- co-owner, Lorenzo Fertitta, said several months later that Lidell-Couture did 320,000 buys.

    The price for that card was $34.95, which was the first at that rate. Previously, all of UFC's pay-per-view cards cost $29.95. But at $34.95, Lidell-Couture generated $11.2 million in pay-per-view revenue.

    MMAWeekly.com, a Web site that covers the sport aggressively and one which White admits to reading frequently, reported on July 13, 2005, 280,000 pay-per-views were sold. If that figure is correct, the show generated $9.8 million in pay-per-view revenue.

    In either event, both the Morales-Pacquiao match and the Liddell-Couture match were hugely successful, at the gate and at the pay-per-view box office.

    In 2006, rematches of both fights were staged.

    Because of the success of the first bout, promoter Bob Arum paid Morales $2.5 million for the Jan. 21 rematch at the Thomas & Mack Center and paid Pacquiao $2 million. The entire card was paid a total of $4,661,900, according to Nevada Athletic Commission records.

    Morales and Pacquiao also received a portion of the pay-per-view proceeds, though the amount was not disclosed.

    Couture-Liddell III was held two weeks later, on Feb. 4 at Mandalay Bay. Liddell's pay rose from $140,000 in the first fight (which was $70,000 to fight and $70,000 to win) to $250,000. Commission records explicitly state that no bonus for winning on Feb. 4 was paid to Liddell.

    Couture made $225,000 for the rematch, up from $150,000. The entire card was paid $656,000, which includes $59,000 in bonus money for winning.

    Though White refuses to release the pay-per-view sales for that bout, MMAWeekly.com reported it came in between 400,000 and 410,000 buys worth between $15.98 million and $16.34 million.

    Even with expenses, including salaries, production costs, arena rental and marketing estimated at $5 million -- a number several boxing promoters say is high -- the UFC would have managed to net more than $10 million.

    Fertitta said the business model of the UFC is dramatically different from boxing's and that affects the pay structure.

    "If I'm a boxing promoter, HBO will come in and tell me that they think a fight will sell a certain amount on pay-per-view and they'll come in and guarantee me that and write me a check up front," Fertitta said. "The boxing promoter has no risk. He knows he has this amount of money coming in and he says to the fighters, 'You get x, you get y and I'll take what's left for my profit.' He doesn't have a risk. All the production and marketing of the pay-per-view is handled by HBO.

    "But in our model, I'm HBO. I'm paying for the production. I'm paying for the marketing. We get no site fee. So what we tell our fighters is that we can't pay them as much up front, but if the fight performs well and produces numbers, they'll get a nice piece of it. Both Randy and Chuck did very well off their (third) fight."

    White said the company was close to being forced to fold in late 2004, when he said debt from the first four years of ownership had reached eight figures. The debt has been reported to be as much as $40 million and as little as $20 million.

    Kirk Hendrick, the UFC's chief operating officer, said top fighters like Couture and Liddell can earn up to $4 million a year.

    "And we throw a lot of sponsorship money into their laps," Hendrick said. "We built this brand and without the UFC name, they wouldn't be getting that kind of money."

    When Hendrick, a former Nevada deputy attorney general who represented the state athletic commission when Fertitta was a member, was told that boxers frequently get sponsorships in addition to their pay, he grimaced and said nothing.

    But Fertitta said being affiliated with the UFC makes a fighter more attractive in the marketplace. Once a fighter competes for the UFC, he is often marketed in smaller shows as a "UFC star" and he commands more money from sponsors, Fertitta said.

    "We spent a lot of time and an awful lot of money building the brand and those three letters -- UFC -- mean a lot," Fertitta said.

    White said the UFC does things for fighters that it doesn't talk about. Fighter salaries aren't a complaint.

    And when Tito Ortiz, a light heavyweight who is one of the organization's biggest stars, was holding out in 2005, most of the sentiment among fighters and their managers was in favor of the UFC.

    "Dana and the Fertittas built this thing and they were losing a lot of money, but they continued to run it as a first-class operation and never tried to cut corners," said Monte Cox, a manager of several UFC fighters, including welterweight champion Matt Hughes, one of the biggest names in the sport. "He was running around demanding $200,000 a fight, even though it was pretty obvious that the finances were in trouble and that no one (in the UFC) was making money.

    "Matt called him a self-centered piece of (trash) and said, 'We don't need people pissing off the Fertittas.' It's a little different now, because they're starting to bring in a lot more money, but the fighters understand the business side of it a lot better than boxers do. That's why there really hasn't been a problem."

    And there are no other high-paying options at the moment. The smaller organizations don't have the dollars to come close to competing with the UFC and most of the fighters who compete in those outfits hold full-time jobs.

    Couture, who retired after losing to Liddell and is going to work for the UFC on regulatory issues under Marc Ratner, said that while some dissatisfaction might arise, he doesn't expect any type of revolt.

    "I guess there's potential for an issue there," Couture said. "But let's be honest: Their marquee fighters are well taken care of. They make a lot more money than they could possibly make anywhere else.

    "The top guys, the ones who are selling the pay-per-views, may feel a little slighted when they see a guy like (boxer) Oscar De La Hoya making $10 million a fight when we did numbers as good or better, but it will happen one day.''
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    Yeah Boxing definitely needs to make some changes to keep the UFC and MMA at bay

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    • cupcrazy01
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      UFC is not doing as good or better as ANY De La Hoya PPV...

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        UFC can generate more viewers if they keep the ground n' pound to a minimum, IMO.

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        • Peterp
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          Originally posted by cupcrazy01
          UFC is not doing as good or better as ANY De La Hoya PPV...
          How many Oscar PPVs are there a year ?

          How many more Oscar PPVs are there gonna be left period ? 1 or 2 tops!

          Boxing cannot hang onto past glories

          Other than Oscar, no other current boxer sells more PPVs than the UFC, that's a sad fact.

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          • SnoopySmurf
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            Originally posted by Peterp
            How many Oscar PPVs are there a year ?

            How many more Oscar PPVs are there gonna be left period ? 1 or 2 tops!

            Boxing cannot hang onto past glories

            Other than Oscar, no other current boxer sells more PPVs than the UFC, that's a sad fact.
            They just mentioned Morales and Pacquiao. Welterweights are just now getting interesting, Jr Welters will be getting Corrales and Castillo on board soon.

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              Originally posted by Peterp
              How many Oscar PPVs are there a year ?

              How many more Oscar PPVs are there gonna be left period ? 1 or 2 tops!

              Boxing cannot hang onto past glories

              Other than Oscar, no other current boxer sells more PPVs than the UFC, that's a sad fact.

              I was just making a tounge-in-cheek comment on the quote about DLH making $10 million a fight and UFC guys will eventually want alot for each fight. Surely there are alot of PPVs that UFC beats out in terms of buys, but that was strickly a joke at the guy who mentioned DLH's name and referenced that UFC did "as good or better" than his PPVs. Laughable.

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              • the giant one
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                Originally posted by cupcrazy01
                I was just making a tounge-in-cheek comment on the quote about DLH making $10 million a fight and UFC guys will eventually want alot for each fight. Surely there are alot of PPVs that UFC beats out in terms of buys, but that was strickly a joke at the guy who mentioned DLH's name and referenced that UFC did "as good or better" than his PPVs. Laughable.
                no it isnt. UFC's PPV numbers are growing by leaps and bounds. Laugh now but they have their **** together marketing wise and are still growing. They are drawing huge numbers for SPIKE TV too.

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                • Larry Merchant
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                  oscar makes 10 mill and PPV what maybe in 1998.
                  for the Hopkins fight he made 34 million.

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                  • Left2body
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                    I think in the future when Mega Stars develope that the salaries will be comparable to Boxing Salaries for the top tier guys. Unless Pride gets buried in the states and remains big everywhere else but US.

                    If that happends UFC could have a virtual monopoly on MMA in the US and continue to pay there fighters 2nd tier salaries for a tier production. I would love to see plain MMA, not UFC not Pride not KOTC just MMA so that fighters could market themselves and setup there own fights like the way boxing is now. Then we would see some great shows as there would be tough competition for PPV dollars.

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