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  • Castillofan
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    The Holyfield Bandwagon.

    I don't know how many people are on it, but it's gaining momentum. Maybe it's another drawback of having mostly fans and rank amateurs trying to make up what stands as the boxing media. I can't see many responsible journalists treating a Holyfield comeback with awe while wondering if he can become the undisputed championship. The dangerous thing is, a lot of people not truly in touch with the game don't know how defunct Holyfield's skills are, and they log on to the websites and see an explosion of interest in him, and the rest is history.

    In essence, on Friday night, the former undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, Evander Holyfield, that has fought all of the Bowe's, Lewis's, Tyson's, Holmes's and Foreman's of teh last twenty years, cut up a journeyman who was retired at the time he got the call to face Holyfield for more money than he will have ever seen for a night's work.

    Jeremy Bates was 21-11-1 going into the Holyfield fight; retired as I just mentioned, as I feel the need to stress that; had never beaten anyone of consequence, and in fact, the majority of his wins, and even some of his losses came to fighters with losing records.

    And yet, Holyfield hit him with everything but the kitchen sink and couldn't knock him down. For writers to get excited about such a performance does not exhibit conscientious journalism.

    Holyfield was as much of a warrior as any heavyweight has ever been. He fought the best in the world, won some, lost some, but always gave it his all. I would imagine around now he feels on top of the world having drawn so much attention and looked good against the most modest of opponents. He certainly made more money with his half million than most heavyweights see these days. But the writing was on the wall a long time ago that Holyfield was a spent force. In the Byrd fight, the Donald fight, the Toney fight, there is all the evidence needed to show that Holyfield could not compete at the head of the division.

    What must resonate with everyone also is that Donald, Byrd and Toney are not killer heavyweights; Byrd and Toney are, technically speaking, not even heavyweights. Talk of putting Holyfield in with Sinan Samil Sam is a mistake. Sam is limited and predictable, but he's young and without half of the miles on his body that Holyfield has. It would be a straight forward contest of who could give and take the most, and Holyfield does not need to be in that type of a fight at 44 years of age. He doesn't need to be in any type of fight.

    For such a religious man, he might have turned his ey towards God a long time ago and asked for guidance. I doubt that the response he would have gotten would have requested him to put himself in harm's way. Holyfield needs to feel that light inside of him, the knowledge that says that the glory days as a fighter must come to an end, but the discover of whatever else life has to offer begins at that point. And that journey is just as exciting and worthwhile.
  • eazy_mas
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    #2
    Agree with you

    He is the HW's Aruto Gatti exciting and never say died is alway for Holyfield I wish if could write histroy like forman did it

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    • !! Anorak
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      Nah, just kidding. I agree 100%. I think what hurts the most is how much affection Evander engenders, then to see him carry on like this. What worries me about the Sam fight is Sam's durability. Maskaev reportedly broke his jaw and he still went the distance. I think it's safe to assume that at this stage in his career Holyfield won't be able to stop him, so will have to settle for a points win, too. And that's if Sam doesn't hurt him in return...

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      • Castillofan
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        Originally posted by !! Anorak
        Hater!

        Nah, just kidding. I agree 100%. I think what hurts the most is how much affection Evander engenders, then to see him carry on like this. What worries me about the Sam fight is Sam's durability. Maskaev reportedly broke his jaw and he still went the distance. I think it's safe to assume that at this stage in his career Holyfield won't be able to stop him, so will have to settle for a points win, too. And that's if Sam doesn't hurt him in return...
        Definitely what is worrying about the fight is what Holyfield would have to absorb from Sam on the way to a decision win. I mean, no disrespect to Bates, but he really had nothing to offer and was handpicked to make Holyfield looked good, as Holyfield outright admitted on FSN. The Best Damn announcers were a bunch of goons right out of their element in boxing by the way.

        How much of Holyfield winning this completely insignificant fight has to do with Maskev Koing Rahman the other week?

        The hypocrisy in this is, as soona s Holyfield is battered around by a competitive heavyweight in his next fight, everyone who is trumping him now will turn around and say how he should retire and that's what they always thought.

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        • !! Anorak
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          #5
          Originally posted by Castillofan
          How much of Holyfield winning this completely insignificant fight has to do with Maskev Koing Rahman the other week?
          Knowing Holyfield's past then he would have gone on anyway, but certainly the surrounding post-bout hype could be attributable to what you said, yes.

          As a side question, who did you think looked more like their old self against a weak opponent - Holyfield or RJJ? I'd say Holyfield, but RJJ's opponent was at least trying to hit back sometimes. An irrelevant point anyway, both are irrevocably deteriorated.

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          • Castillofan
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            Originally posted by !! Anorak
            Knowing Holyfield's past then he would have gone on anyway, but certainly the surrounding post-bout hype could be attributable to what you said, yes.

            As a side question, who did you think looked more like their old self against a weak opponent - Holyfield or RJJ? I'd say Holyfield, but RJJ's opponent was at least trying to hit back sometimes. An irrelevant point anyway, both are irrevocably deteriorated.
            I thought Roy looked worried in the beginning as Ajamu ran at him. I think he was having a Glen Johnson flashback.

            Jones did make some adjustments and started to dominate, though not with the authority that would suggest that he's back on form.

            You'd have to say that Ajamu was a lot better opponent than Bates.

            I think Jones looked better because he had a ranked opponent that was not actually retired in front of him, as Bates was with Holyfield.

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            • PROD
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              I don't want to see Holy against anyone in the top 20, I just want to see him beat up guys he can destroy until he gets tired of it so I can get as drunk and happy as I was friday night again.

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              • Crazy Dude
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                I don't really see any Holyfield bandwagon.

                The most support he gets for his comeback is 'the divisions weak right now', or 'it's his choice'.

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                • !! Anorak
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Castillofan
                  I thought Roy looked worried in the beginning as Ajamu ran at him. I think he was having a Glen Johnson flashback.

                  Jones did make some adjustments and started to dominate, though not with the authority that would suggest that he's back on form.

                  You'd have to say that Ajamu was a lot better opponent than Bates.

                  I think Jones looked better because he had a ranked opponent that was not actually retired in front of him, as Bates was with Holyfield.
                  I would (relatively speaking) praise Ajamu, but catching the fight again it's clear that he begins hyperventilating and that the occasion has got to him as early as the second round. Seeing it again I was amazed at how far he rocked Jones's head back in the first minute. If that was a faster, more accurate puncher with heavier hands Jones would have been in trouble.

                  Apparently Evander's last opponent has the nickname "Master" I'm not sure if that's true or not...

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                  • jason100x
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                    #10
                    If Holyfield can't take on the top guys in the division, what about having him fight Butterbean?

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