How is asking for around the same split as Thurman got against Pacquiao, Crawford....

[Dosumpthin]

Imagine if they both agreed to a 50/50 split and PPV was projected to be the highest in history.....

but someone refuses random drug test.

Wonder how that will play out now.

[-Kev-]

Whats the big picture with Manny wanting 21 mill , he only wanted 10ml for Thurman ?

The circumstances at the time. Pacquiao was seen as an aging fighter who was lowering in draw power. Public interest in Pacquiao was not the same. After beating Thurman, an in his prime top Welterweight, Pacquiao basically told fans: "Na, it's still me. Pay up."

So Pacquiao took less money to fight a risky top opponent, and won, and that's how it works. That's how you ask for more money the next time around. You beat a top name and then ask for more. The PPV was very successful too, there was upside for both fighters. Both Pac and Thurman got way more than their guarantee, per sources. Thurman earned almost 4x his guarantee. Pacquiao doubled his guarantee.

Broner, Matthysse, Horn, Vargas...these aren't top names. Thurman was. Pacquiao humbled himself, humbled his asking price because of where he was at the time and how fans and journalists viewed him. But that fight brought him back and now he has more fans wanting to see another performance like that.

That's how boxing works.

Crawford is asking for a ton of money without having beaten anyone of note, a top fighter, in a long time. Without fans craving to see him. No PPV Crawford has headlined shows any indication that a lot of fans want to pay to see him. Pacquiao has a history of being a big seller. Even before he went mainstream, Bob could count on a relatively unknown Pacquiao to give him 350k-400k buys.

[rickJen]

The offered price is between the promoter and Paqcuiao's opponent.
Pac has a set asking price for every fight he makes, regardless of the opponent.
If he's only asking $20 million guarantee, then he's dumb.
He's selling himself short, especially when the fight takes place in the Middle East.

Joshua got like $60 - 85 million in the Ruiz 2 fight.
And Pac is 100x more popular than AJ.
Who tf even knows who AJ is outside of Europe?

[Roadblock]

How did Manny price himself out when Top Rank agreed to it?

He wants 21 mill for TC and 10 for Thurman why , thats making it so that there is not much left for Bud.

As I said if Manny dropped to 18 Bud gets his 9 and the fights on, as it stands Manny gets so much the fight cant happen unless Bud gets like 20% which is BS.

[Roadblock]

The offered price is between the promoter and Paqcuiao's opponent.
Pac has a set asking price for every fight he makes, regardless of the opponent.
If he's only asking $20 million guarantee, then he's dumb.
He's selling himself short, especially when the fight takes place in the Middle East.

Joshua got like $60 - 85 million in the Ruiz 2 fight.
And Pac is 100x more popular than AJ.
Who tf even knows who AJ is outside of Europe?

The guarantee is the bottom figure not near what he will actually make, it just appears to me that Manny is asking more than he has for any fight other than Floyd which ultimately squeezes TC out of it especially in the pandemic.

If I were Bud Id take any offer and knock him out into retirement then go for Spence as the A side.

[Motorcity Cobra]

He wants 21 mill for TC and 10 for Thurman why , thats making it so that there is not much left for Bud.

As I said if Manny dropped to 18 Bud gets his 9 and the fights on, as it stands Manny gets so much the fight cant happen unless Bud gets like 20% which is BS.

And Bob agreed to the $21 mil. How is it a price out if they agreed to his price? You aren't making any sense. A price out is when the price is to high & unreasonable & the two sides don't agree. Both sides agreed here

[rickJen]

The guarantee is the bottom figure not near what he will actually make, it just appears to me that Manny is asking more than he has for any fight other than Floyd which ultimately squeezes TC out of it especially in the pandemic.

If I were Bud Id take any offer and knock him out into retirement then go for Spence as the A side.

Whatever TC is offered or any Pac opponent for that matter
has no bearing on what is offered to Pac.
It's what the promoter willing to pay to Pac's opponent.
Especially if we're talking about a fight outside of the US.

If your purpose is only to attack Pac because you simply hate him.
Go ahead. I don't care.

[TrnceBdChrlo Jr]

Terence Crawford deserves at least 50-50. Pacquiao is lucky that a future HOF fighter in his prime, and future ATG fighter, is even negotiating with him at all at his age.

Crawford has proven in both of his PPV's that he would bring in a ton of buys. 60-40 with Crawford getting the lion's share sounds fair. But he is budging for 50-50 just to try his best to make the fight.

Crawford's PPV history and resume speaks for itself. It's ridiculous that Thurman can get a guarantee of $2.5 million and Crawford can't get the $10 million guarantee he's asking for. Crawford is far more popular than Thurman. I would say he is only second to Canelo in popularity (who is also ducking Crawford).

[TrnceBdChrlo Jr]

The circumstances at the time. Pacquiao was seen as an aging fighter who was lowering in draw power. Public interest in Pacquiao was not the same. After beating Thurman, an in his prime top Welterweight, Pacquiao basically told fans: "Na, it's still me. Pay up."

So Pacquiao took less money to fight a risky top opponent, and won, and that's how it works. That's how you ask for more money the next time around. You beat a top name and then ask for more. The PPV was very successful too, there was upside for both fighters. Both Pac and Thurman got way more than their guarantee, per sources. Thurman earned almost 4x his guarantee. Pacquiao doubled his guarantee.

Broner, Matthysse, Horn, Vargas...these aren't top names. Thurman was. Pacquiao humbled himself, humbled his asking price because of where he was at the time and how fans and journalists viewed him. But that fight brought him back and now he has more fans wanting to see another performance like that.

That's how boxing works.

Crawford is asking for a ton of money without having beaten anyone of note, a top fighter, in a long time. Without fans craving to see him. No PPV Crawford has headlined shows any indication that a lot of fans want to pay to see him. Pacquiao has a history of being a big seller. Even before he went mainstream, Bob could count on a relatively unknown Pacquiao to give him 350k-400k buys.

It should be the other way around. Crawford deserves $21 million, Pacquiao should get $6.5 million.