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For all the plaudits about his defense, he can be put down by inferior boxers. Klitschko really struggled, so it's assumed others will struggle too, but Wilder momentarily put him to sleep, Wallin managed to land clean, Cunningham dropped him. Fury is good defensively, but certainly not infallible.
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So youare telling me Pajkic dropped Fury. can you tell me something new?Last edited by JakeTheBoxer; 12-22-2020, 04:24 PM.Comment
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Loooool
As I keep saying. AJ fans are ****ing weirdos. How many of these threads will you cuckolds make desperately trying to convince yourself something that most of you genuinely don't believe.
When it comes time to put money on Joshua winning by KO none of you will and the favourable odds will reflect that.
Is Joshua in with a shot? Of course. He's a top 5 heavyweight and Fury has been tested by worse opposition. But thats it. A shot. Joshua isn't even there mentally to challenge. He's just not got the resolve to win the mental aspect. He will be on edge, sap his energy and get schooled. Its not even that Fury will have anything trule special to defeat Joshua with, Joshua will probably end up defeating himself. And most of you know this.
Joshua doesn't give you that put it all on the line mentality that many of the more dogged heavyweights give off, hes no Lewis or Holyfield. I legit think that's why most of you like him. Its a certain mediocrity that I think makes many of you comfortable.Comment
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lewis wasnt even truely elite until he was the age fury is now.
he was in his 30s and had a 3 yr stint where he was no doubt in my mind the best in the world and great to watch. the americans didnt agree and dissed him, but 97-99 lennox lewis was the best version. After that he got slow and boring, always hugging.
the way i see it, aj has acheived far more than lennox at the same stage of their careers.
holyfield was a steroid user, major.
then you had the drug and drink addict mike tyson.
why do you people hype that 90s era? it wasnt all that.
as for 'put it all on the line mentality' then what was that verus dillian whyte and wladmir klitschko?
his fans are 'cuckolds'
ie the implication being 'aj is black and if you like him then you have a weird black man fetish'
basically there are racist undertones in that diss.
so were lennox lewis, holyfield and tyson fans cuckolds too?
wilder fans?
just a ****** diss...Comment
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I'm black myself and I actually have a liking for Wilder so believe what you will. Also seriously, steroids? You think Joshua is clean? You think any of the top guys are clean? Both Wilder and Joshua ballooned in weight until they got onto the clean boxing program. Fury has already been caught. Its just the game, trying to discredit Holyfields achievements because of such is ****ing lame.
Dillian Whyte is a bum and Wlad could have taken the fight had he not let his foot off the pedal. Even then, yes it was his most spirited performance and an impressive one...but Wlad was 41 and off for 16 months. I want to see him in with a live dog who hasn't shown up for a payday...and there are plenty. Fury, Usyk, Wilder, Joyce, Hrgovic, Yoka, even Dubois. Kinda tired of being made to believe because he soundly beats some old hasbeen, I'm meant to praise his performances as wonderful. Who has Pulev beaten? Hughie Fury? Bogdan Dinu...just look at how one dimensional he looked.
The 90s era was all that hence why it had some of the best heavyweights in it. This is what kills me about you ****ing idiot Joshua fans. You think he is the beginning and end of boxing and he's barely even a top 30 all time heavyweight. The 90s era consistently had top fights and guys like Lewis making a mockery of guys that we admire even now.
Lewis, Holyfield and Tyson ****ing earned their stripes. One has om of the deepest resumes in heavyweight boxing, the other cleaned out cruiserweight and went on to beat all time greats like Tyson and Foreman. Tyson is the youngest heavyweight champion of all time. What are Joshua's achievements in comparison, having a bunch of bum ass uk ****riders who will laud performances against rhe mighty likes of Pulev and Charles Martin? Names that will NEVER make any kind of ATG list.Last edited by KingGilgamesh; 12-22-2020, 04:51 PM.Comment
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I find fanatics on both sides to be annoying as hell.
They're both decent heavyweights in a kinda weak era. No more, no less.
Let them fight three times for some fun and move on.Comment
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Tyson Fury was mocked and ridiculed for 90% of his career 'It was around the Martin Rogan fight and Chisora rematch? Did Fury start to improve, and show his genus'.
But make no doubt about it, there is a clumsy kid still living inside of Tyson Fury. All the things David Haye stated in the build up to their fight 'Was partial true'.
This heavyweight division is extremely competitive, nobody is untouchable 'Nobody is levels above the following pack'.
Tyson Fury maybe in terms of naturally ability? is 1 level above the following pack 'But the following pack has something he does not have in abundance, some of those guys can hit real hard and are naturally stronger fighters' etc.Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 12-22-2020, 05:40 PM.Comment
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1) a few yrs back, Fury was not taken too seriously despite his stature and unbeaten record. The 3 guys everyone was looking to, in fact 4..were Wilder, AJ, Parker and Ortiz.
I liked Wilder because of the backstory of his daughter, his marraige, 7 kids..and in his 2012 post fight he said
"it's important to also thank God in loss not just in victory" or something to that effect. it was vs a guy called kelvin prince.
when wilder came to the uk and dropped audley harrison with only ONE punch, even aj was in the audience laughing.
the point is everyone in the uk liked wilder and he was really at home in sheffield during the build up to that GBP/Amir khan card.
the problem was, at that stage the question was 'why hasnt he stepped up yet'?
i used to blame Oscar, i thought 'he cares more about the mexican fanbase many of whom are racist evidently from what im reading online' so when wilder switched to pbc his first fight was for the wbc belt..
so all up until then, i was a fan of wilder.
where it went downhill is he turned into this complete typical black american moron with the ***ellery and big ego. then as aj was coming up it started becoming obv he was not only not stepping up, he was outright hating on aj.
parker i remained a fan of, i like the guy. unlucky loss to whyte, he'll beat whyte in a rematch.
im a big fan of whyte..what a guy..
Fury went downhill as soon as he started twisting stories and exaggerating, hating etc.
i used to find him very funny and entertaining. Fury is still likeable for example he still lives in Morcambe in a normal house big house. shops in b & m store (a discount store) right after beating wilder? respect that. just don't like his antics and his dad with it, butt hen it's also mind games. it's probably more his weak racist fanbase, most of whom are not real fans and used to be fake kell brook fans when they were chanelling their inner hitler on amir khan (who i now think is a complete bellend too).
sorry for the essays. just saying.
2) the steroid use..
fury got caught, he and aj still get drug tested. the only time i feel aj was on stuff is right after the olympics..and it was HGH...
but that harmed him as a boxer. his physique was only there for marketing/money and that brought a lot of eyes to the division, so i cant hate on that.
yeh i do diss fury for the nandrolone, i was on his side until he blagged it and contradicted himse
first it was 'i have naturally high hgh'
then it was 'i ate an uncastrated boar'
however EVAN FIELDS was a notorious case..his jump from CW to HW was heavily dependant on the juice.
as for growing..let me just say that no one adds 20lbs of MUSCLE, sure...
but you do gain 20lbs of MASS EASILY..i have done over a 5 month period and it was EASY, just lifting and eating a load of food..and that's in my 30s bro. seriously.
ive had 2 phases where ive added 20lbs over asimilar time period from bulking.
id say maybe 40-50% of that was fat
then you got the water/glycogen
eitherway, when i started cutting in my 20s, i trimmed bigtime later (got more into cardio/running/cycling) but didnt lose strenth hence i didnt really lose muscle mass. my arms were noticably skinnier.
i did take creatine the first time mind you but it also caused some hairloss
the point is if i can do that then those guys can easily do more.
a 6ft 6 guy in his early 20s, would easily add 20-40lbs over a few yrs.
if aj added 15lbs of fat, 5lbs of water
trained a lot and got that pumped look, he'd look more muscular and would be stronger...but in reality they're useless gains other than the strength.
3)
Fury, Usyk, Wilder, Joyce, Hrgovic, Yoka, even Dubois.
that's a nonsense example
fury was 3 yrs out and decided to take various tune ups and Wilder to avoid AJ, allow it to simmer and become huge like it is now. hence he rejected a £28m offer for the 2018 date.
Usyk has only just come up.
Wilder...fake $50m offer followed by foul play and delay tactics from showtime, waited for the canelo-ggg fight to clash with the aj-wilder proposed fight, then demand a change in date, in turn used it as their convenient excuse. what was that? they just used aj to build up wilder.
joyce, hrgovic, yoka, dubois again they've only just started coming up. aj spars with joyce a lot.
yoka took nandrolone too didnt he?
aj has been in with whyte and parker though. exactly the type of 'young guy not looking for a payday' but you'll conveniently claim otherwise because of how those fights turned out.
i know the ref was poor in the parker fight, but i lost some respect for parker that fight.
he goaded aj with 'you cant go the distance with me' only to get told 'ill prove you wrong'
post-fight 'aj didnt try to knock me out'
not forgetting that there was a clip (i cant find it) where parker's mum had spoken about being 'scared for my son', so aj got a call to her, spoke to her personally and told her 'dont be scared' etc. i dont even think aj wanted to hurt parker going into that fight after all that.
he didnt choose to have pulev and povetkin as mandatories.
who did wilder and fury beat then? apart from fighting each other they also fought bums.
4) tyson late 80s and holyfield early 90s was probably the better part of the 90s generation
i was too young to know about that era..
but
the guys they were beating were really past it
these days a 40 yr old is in better nick than a 40 yr old back then.
larry holmes was 43 when he got beat by holyfield.
foreman was 42.
aj doesnt get much credit by you guys for beating wladmir klitschko and povetkin, but they were younger.
he's beaten whyte and parker.
so what's the problem?
we've seen dubois vs joyce, whyte vs chisora, whyte vs parker..
we've seen great fights, aj vs ruiz, obv wilder vs fury, wilder vs ortiz
this is a far better period...
and then there are many other guys who havent fought yet, but in time they will
so why the hate?
my point really is that you hype lennox lewis and holyfield, but lewis's only competition was a cruiserweight, a coke addict and frank bruno
rid**** bowe vs lewis didnt happen.
what/who else? not as great as you're making out.
example
lennox lewis
after his loss to mccall, he fought 2 tune ups..
i dont know about mandatories but the likes of golata, mavrovic, botha would be 'bums' today.
it seems someone like aj is not allowed to beat a guy like pulev but lennox lewis could fight anyone he liked.
bs..
in no particular order
tyson fury
hughie fury
wilder
aj
whyte
ortiz
povetkin
parker
hrgovic
hunter
ruiz
ajagba
yoka
dubois
joe joyce
pulev
dychko
otto wallin
wardley
adeleye
majidov
babic
thee are other guys too
forget ranking them, in terms of just pure hype, i want to see them ALL fight each other..and boxing has to find a way to deliver that
instead, it wont happen because we will see the mid-tier guys keep on fighting bums no one has heard of with mishaps inbetween.
i get the occasional tune up fight, im ok with that, but otherwise i want to see it all kick off.
ill be disappointed...if for example one day i think 'i didnt get to see majidov vs andy ruiz' or 'alen babic vs wilder'(random examples)
they wont happen those type of fights..but they would all be great fights to watch.Comment
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