Pick em 2021 ideas and disussion thread

[Citizen Koba]

I like adding a clear option to decision. Equals it out with the KO Early, Mid & Late options so make it a harder perfect pick than it currently is.

And I think I always mention this, but I still like the idea of adding in a multiplier for the betting odds. So like a -200 fighter vs a +150 fighter would give a 1.5x to the -200 guy if he won & a 2.5x to the +150 guy if he won. I think dogs should get you more points if they win. Granted you got the generic multipliers, but I think you could do it more specific to each fight. I think it makes the game harder + more interesting at the same time. Not sure the degree of difficulty this would add to the process doe & if its too much of a hustle I can understand the juice not being worth the squeeze with adding it.

Once again I'm down with the 3 decision picks... just wish I had a more clear show of support.

WRT the odds multiplier I have been giving it some thought... it is doable, at least now that I got accustomed to using a spreadsheet rather than doing all the updating on site. My main concern would be scoring balance, and also I ain't sure the gamesmanship angle would suit everyone. You familiar with Continental / Decimal odds? Outside the UK in Europe they tend to write odds as winnings plus stake so what would be -200 in the US or 1/2 in the UK would simply be 1.5 in continental odds. 4/1 would be 5.0 and 1/4 (-400) would be 1.25 etc. If we were gonna go down that route I'd probably just switch to using decimal odds for convenience and just apply it as a multiplier to any points earned...

But... I think probably not this year. It'd represent quite a major change I think, and one I'd have to give a little more thought to I reckon, although I might look at tweaking the existing system a little further. What I might do is kinda keep a running tally using decimal odds multipliers on my own spreadsheets for this year and see just how big a difference it would make and then look at it again after I got more idea how it'd play. Share the results on here too, maybe, see what folk think.

[Citizen Koba]

Okay... so what seems to be coming through most is that whilst most of you are generally happy, there's a general sense that maybe we coulda done with a few less fights this year and perhaps concentrated more on those fights where the outcome was genuinely in doubt... there have been a number of notable upsets this year... especially in the first few months - pre-COVID - if anyone remembers that far back - but I think in the scramble to make up for lost time, and the fear that we might get locked down again I got in the habit of basically including as many fights as possible within reason.

So - upshot, be looking at scaling back a little in 2021, maybe aim for closer the 2019 level of around 80ish fights I'd guess, with more of an emphasis on the competitive match ups even where it means looking a bit further down the rankings.

With regards to the three decision picks thing, I'm still undecided, ain't really got a mandate on it but I still think it'd be a significant improvement so I'll sleep on it and decide tomorrow... although if anyone got any commnet, either for or against, please let me know in the thread.

Ok gents, think that's about it for now, gonna get some sleep, been a kinda hectic few days. Apologies for the delay in the updating but I'll aim to have eveything up to speed by tomorrow night.

Seasons greetings all.

[Citizen Koba]

Summer Sweepstakes

Tournament (separate from the Pick Em) that will run during June, July, August.

30 fights total. Uses the same rules as Pick Em, but without multipliers (or with less multipliers).

$100 entry fee to participate. The total pot will be split by top 3 participants with the highest score after the final game in August.

I like it.

I'd just like to see it start & end on the boxing holidays of Cinco De Mayo & Mexican Independence day. That feels like some sorta unofficial boxing "season" to me.

Totally down with a sweepstakes idea, however it'd be run, whether alongside the regular Pick Em using the same picks or using variants on the rules... either way is cool, but my thought is that as long as I got the biggest role in running the Pick Em I reckon it's better if someone else works out the sweepstake details and escrow or whatever. More than happy to help figure out the details or provide suggestions or whatever though.

[BigZ44]

Thought we ended up maybe putting too many fights in this year that didn't deserve to be on here, but of course that was largely affected by the covid problem and just being a weird year in general. I'm OK with having some mismatches with boxers at the top level of the sport because it maybe gives guys a better chance to pick up some points that aren't quite as educated as others. One thing I've been hoping since the start though is that we do every legitimate title fight in boxing (no interims or IBO titles or **** like that.) That gives full coverage to all divisions and a wide variety of matchups but still keeps an eye on the top guys in the sport. Basically, a real world title belt is on the line (for men) and there is a pick em for it. Any other pick em's have to be really competitive and at a significant level, either decided on by the pick em adjudicators or getting a large/overwhelming vote from the participants. Thought we had too many this year that were B level and non-competitive or competitive but C or prospect level. Just my 2 cents

[SN!PER]

I like it.

I'd just like to see it start & end on the boxing holidays of Cinco De Mayo & Mexican Independence day. That feels like some sorta unofficial boxing "season" to me.

Totally down with a sweepstakes idea, however it'd be run, whether alongside the regular Pick Em using the same picks or using variants on the rules... either way is cool, but my thought is that as long as I got the biggest role in running the Pick Em I reckon it's better if someone else works out the sweepstake details and escrow or whatever. More than happy to help figure out the details or provide suggestions or whatever though.

The Cinco de Mayo kickoff and the finale on Mexican Independence Day is perfect.

We would have a smaller amount of fights than the regular Pick Em, and spreading them out over a few months gives the players time for strategy and research.

BIGPOPPAPUMP would be an ideal pick to handle the account for the contest. Anybody on the admin team or an active moderator would be a solid choice. Eff Pandas has hosted contests and paid out prizes on here, so he would also be a good fit for the role.

Once again I'm down with the 3 decision picks... just wish I had a more clear show of support.

I was on the fence when I voted because I like the 3 decision picks for flexibility, but I also like the 2 picks because players have become comfortable with that. But you know, less limits is probably a good thing, so you can count me in. I support the new option!

[Eff Pandas]

The Cinco de Mayo kickoff and the finale on Mexican Independence Day is perfect.

We would have a smaller amount of fights than the regular Pick Em, and spreading them out over a few months gives the players time for strategy and research.

BIGPOPPAPUMP would be an ideal pick to handle the account for the contest. Anybody on the admin team or an active moderator would be a solid choice. Eff Pandas has hosted contests and paid out prizes on here, so he would also be a good fit for the role.

Oooooh yea I'm definitely down for trying this out & helping out however I can. Idk that I got the endurance for the whole year with the hardcore pickem team, but a 4 month part time game is completely reasonable & throwing some money in it just makes it a lil more exciting for everyone in it.

Got lotsa time to work on how it should work & all the particulars too.

I'm definitely into making decision picks tougher with 3 options with this. And I definitely think we should have a betting odds multiplier so picking favorites isn't overly rewarded like it is in the main game.

[ShoulderRoll]

Thought we ended up maybe putting too many fights in this year that didn't deserve to be on here, but of course that was largely affected by the covid problem and just being a weird year in general. I'm OK with having some mismatches with boxers at the top level of the sport because it maybe gives guys a better chance to pick up some points that aren't quite as educated as others. One thing I've been hoping since the start though is that we do every legitimate title fight in boxing (no interims or IBO titles or **** like that.) That gives full coverage to all divisions and a wide variety of matchups but still keeps an eye on the top guys in the sport. Basically, a real world title belt is on the line (for men) and there is a pick em for it. Any other pick em's have to be really competitive and at a significant level, either decided on by the pick em adjudicators or getting a large/overwhelming vote from the participants. Thought we had too many this year that were B level and non-competitive or competitive but C or prospect level. Just my 2 cents

I agree with this. All legitimate title fights should be in the Pick 'Em.

Anything else should have a very good and obvious reason for being included.

[ShoulderRoll]

As far as money games go, several of us do fantasy football on here. Each player agrees to pay a set amount to the winner via PayPal. No one has to collect or escrow any money and we are on the honor system...if you don't pay you get kicked out and aren't allowed to participate going forward.

This seems to work well.

[soul_survivor]

yOU KNOW WHAT, I might make a return this year. put me down

[Eff Pandas]

As far as money games go, several of us do fantasy football on here. Each player agrees to pay a set amount to the winner via PayPal. No one has to collect or escrow any money and we are on the honor system...if you don't pay you get kicked out and aren't allowed to participate going forward.

This seems to work well.

How many folks played in the last full season? How many didn't pay?

Seems like a way for sketchy mfers to free roll & then create a new account & IP to free roll the next year. But I'd be curious how the honor system has worked out in an anon environment like this forum.