Canelo is overachiver in my eyes

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  • deathofaclown
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    #11
    Originally posted by Roy Keane
    Tbh he lost to Cotto & GGG twice. Should have 4 losses. Canelo is an elite fighter those losses wouldn’t diminish him in my opinion.
    Cotto?

    That fight was barely close , Cotto won about 3 or 4 rounds

    If you said the Lara fight then yeah. I thought the Lara fight was probably a draw or 7-5 to Lara. No way Canelo won more than 6, even a draw would be generous really.

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    • RHETOЯIC
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      #12
      When he fought Corto, all I kept thinking was, "Poppa don't hit me no more."

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        #13
        Originally posted by Roy Keane
        Tbh he lost to Cotto & GGG twice. Should have 4 losses. Canelo is an elite fighter those losses wouldn’t diminish him in my opinion.
        Nah I like cotto but a thought it was close fight
        He lost first ggg
        Arguably lost Lara match

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        • Dip_Slide
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          #14
          I agree here. When he I first saw him fight i think it was against Shane Mosley and I wasn't really impressed with him, then he did pretty well with what he had and fought Floyd, and I thought that this loss was going to leave a dent in him but boy was I wrong, it's almost that he turned all his weaknesses into strengths throughout the course of his career, the amount of work he put in to improve is nothing short of admirable and with his limited size and physical attributes, he definitely is an overachiever

          Note: I had GGG winning both fights and don't see a point of a 3rd fight since GGG is pretty much done.
          Last edited by Dip_Slide; 12-22-2020, 09:09 AM.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Roy Keane
            Tbh he lost to Cotto & GGG twice. Should have 4 losses. Canelo is an elite fighter those losses wouldn’t diminish him in my opinion.
            I don't think he lost to Cotto at all, I think he did pretty well in this fight. However, I agree GGG won both fights with the 2nd being closer than the first. The decision over Lara was also highly questionable as none of them deserved to walk away as a winner that night, but yea you are absolutely right, these losses don't diminish either his skill level nor his accomplishments and him being the best P4P fighter in the world right now

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            • Marchegiano
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              #16
              I agree, slept on him until Krusher. Now I might be a fanboy.

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              • STREET CLEANER
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                #17
                I used to be critical of him at the beginning. Not no more.

                He has shown a superior skill level and boxing IQ.

                He is the new James Toney (but with much better dedication to the sport), you can't bet against him.

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                • Nash out
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by deathofaclown
                  Cotto?

                  That fight was barely close , Cotto won about 3 or 4 rounds

                  If you said the Lara fight then yeah. I thought the Lara fight was probably a draw or 7-5 to Lara. No way Canelo won more than 6, even a draw would be generous really.
                  Yeah, what are people talking about there? Canelo won that easily 117-111 or closest 116-112. I had a draw with Lara, but Canelo has improved a lot since then. He beat Trout, but the scores were too wide.

                  The one he got away with was the Golovkin fight. Golovkin won, no arguments. The second fight could have gone either way, so can't take that win away from him.

                  Anyone having Cotto winning the Canelo fight is watching it wanting Cotto to win, and not scoring fairly.

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                  • deathofaclown
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Nash out
                    Yeah, what are people talking about there? Canelo won that easily 117-111 or closest 116-112. I had a draw with Lara, but Canelo has improved a lot since then. He beat Trout, but the scores were too wide.

                    The one he got away with was the Golovkin fight. Golovkin won, no arguments. The second fight could have gone either way, so can't take that win away from him.

                    Anyone having Cotto winning the Canelo fight is watching it wanting Cotto to win, and not scoring fairly.
                    The Lara thing is interesting to me because we say he’s improved a lot since then, but he’s never fought a slick southpaw since. so even if he has improved, which he has, he still might struggle badly with that style, it might just be something he has problems with. Most fighters have a style that’s bad for them.

                    That’s why I always wanted to see Canelo against Saunders. As good as Canelo is hes been in recent years, he would still have to show something different in that fight because it’s a style he hasn’t had since he arguably lost or drew against a slick Southpaw. What he has been doing in his previous fights is not exactly going to work in this instance. so he will need to show other sides to his game, which he may have now. Styles do make fights. Regardless of Canelo being more proven etc, it’s a very different fight to anything he’s had since Lara.

                    Eric Gomez from Golden Boy even said Saunders could be a bad style and very tricky fight for Canelo.

                    If Canelo could comfortably beat BJS, I’d be massively impressed. I don’t think anyone else from 160-168 could beat BJS comfortably, maybe in a close fight at best, he just has one of those styles.
                    Last edited by deathofaclown; 12-22-2020, 01:15 PM.

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                    • Nash out
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by deathofaclown
                      The Lara thing is interesting to me because we say he’s improved a lot since then, but he’s never fought a slick southpaw since. so even if he has improved, which he has, he still might struggle badly with that style, it might just be something he has problems with. Most fighters have a style that’s bad for them.

                      That’s why I always wanted to see Canelo against Saunders. As good as Canelo is hes been in recent years, he would still have to show something different in that fight because it’s a style he hasn’t had since he arguably lost or drew against a slick Southpaw. What he has been doing in his previous fights is not exactly going to work in this instance. so he will need to show other sides to his game, which he may have now. Styles do make fights. Regardless of Canelo being more proven etc, it’s a very different fight to anything he’s had since Lara.

                      Eric Gomez from Golden Boy even said Saunders could be a bad style and very tricky fight for Canelo.

                      If Canelo could comfortably beat BJS, I’d be massively impressed. I don’t think anyone else from 160-168 could beat BJS comfortably, maybe in a close fight at best, he just has one of those styles.
                      That's the fight I want next Canelo vs Saunders. Would like to see Golovkin vs Andrade as well.

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