Gennady Golovkin - INSIDE THE RESUME

[Stallion_]

GGG's first 5 "Regular" title defenses don't really count, since the Super Champion was Felix Sturm.

[Lance98]

GGG is an underachieving clown with no drive to be great and no heart. He is a walking contradiction who ducks tough fights, but pushed the narrative that he is avoided to casuals. He never beat any elite fighters cleanly. Lost to canelo, arguably lost to jacobs and derevyanchenko. All of his "clean" wins are against bums.

[HeadShots]

ward came out and said that...that he never asked golovkin to break the lemiuex fight...he said when that was over they should talk....and loeffler never denied it

lara would have been the best name on his resume at that point...lara had also been on major tv several times and was #1 at 154 at the time...lol

[TernceBudCharlo]

GGG is an underachieving clown with no drive to be great and no heart. He is a walking contradiction who ducks tough fights, but pushed the narrative that he is avoided to casuals. He never beat any elite fighters cleanly. Lost to canelo, arguably lost to jacobs and derevyanchenko. All of his "clean" wins are against bums.

Yup. It's pretty sad actually cuz the guy was great in the amateurs with wins over quality fighters like Korobov, Andre Dirrell, etc. With that kind of skillset PLUS an elite jab, great chin, and that kind of power, there's no excuse for sucking as a pro or that kind of resume. If he had taken on Andre Ward back when he'd challenged him and won there'd be no dispute he'd be p4p. But he didn't even try.

GGG showed decent heart when he rallied in the second half of the second Canelo fight, but it was too little too late. I did score that second fight 7-5 for GGG, but I feel no sympathy for him. I don't understand how when you have that kind of power and that kind of chin you're content to just sit behind a jab and gamble with the judges scorecards. And then it seemed like him and Abel really never tried to work on anything in between the fights, they were just content with his skillset his entire career, never worked to improve.

That seems to be the case with a lot of these eastern euro fighters which I don't get. Instead of working on the things that may have cost him the first fight, Kovalev just complained about the judges scorecard 24/7 and didn't listen to anything John David Jackson tried to teach him.

[Curt Henning]

Yup. It's pretty sad actually cuz the guy was great in the amateurs with wins over quality fighters like Korobov, Andre Dirrell, etc. With that kind of skillset PLUS an elite jab, great chin, and that kind of power, there's no excuse for sucking as a pro or that kind of resume. If he had taken on Andre Ward back when he'd challenged him and won there'd be no dispute he'd be p4p. But he didn't even try.

GGG showed decent heart when he rallied in the second half of the second Canelo fight, but it was too little too late. I did score that second fight 7-5 for GGG, but I feel no sympathy for him. I don't understand how when you have that kind of power and that kind of chin you're content to just sit behind a jab and gamble with the judges scorecards. And then it seemed like him and Abel really never tried to work on anything in between the fights, they were just content with his skillset his entire career, never worked to improve.

That seems to be the case with a lot of these eastern euro fighters which I don't get. Instead of working on the things that may have cost him the first fight, Kovalev just complained about the judges scorecard 24/7 and didn't listen to anything John David Jackson tried to teach him.

agree on alot of this....sometimes though its not easy to teach an older dog new tricks ya know? alot of these guys get set in their way and what they know how to do well and they just run with it....even if they spend a camp working on a wrinkle or two sometimes that goes out the window once the crowd is there and the lights are on and its a real fight

think about hatton when he got with floyd sr and tried to become a movement guy with defense....all out the window once the lights went on...never had a chance

also alot of the EE fighters love fighting at optimal range....if youre constantly at the end of their punches youre in trouble...theyre really good at fighting at that perfect distance....you change that on some of them and its different

[Roadblock]

Clen is the perfect drug for moving up or down in weight. It burns fat, puts on some muscle, and is a powerful recomposition agent. Did WADA waive it? That’s crazy. I thought they waived Albuterol. Clen will give a distinct advantage. Tainted meat has been the claim of people caught using it since ‘93. They are beta agonists, did they waive them all. Some are stronger than Clen. I guess I could look it up. But I want to hear from you. It’s not Mexican. They have a version, but it’s used everywhere and prescribed as a bronchodilator in most of Europe. Taco’s? Canelo is Mexican, and taco’s have meat sometimes but it doesn’t really make sense. You gotta be careful with racist jokes. If you’re gonna make them, why not make them funny. Just a suggestion.

There is a saying with sporting Dogs clenbuterol allows them to breath underwater, meaning they dont gas out it gives them so much air, thats the number one reason they use it.

[Dr. Z]

The middleweight division, without a, doubt one of the four most essential divisions in boxing.

Ranking the best in division history is no easy task, partly because the rich history dates back to the 1840's, and many of the best matches were never filmed or have become lost films.

Generally speaking, most historians or serious fans would place the names Gerb, Robinson, Hagler, Monzon, Walker, and Fitzsimmons in their top ten, and all would make the top 15. I'm not going to argue these six men don't belong. Instead, I will at times use them as a benchmark to show why Golovkin belongs in the top 15 in the history of the division. After all, if they are a consensus of the top ten, and Golovkin compares favorably or equal in many areas, he most certainly belongs.


Professional Ring Record 41-1-1***. 83.72% KO ratio. He should be un-defeated. World Title belts held. WBA, WBC, and IBF.

Key take aways

1 ) Golovkin won all three major belts, a way some define the real champion in modern times hamstrung by politics. Such a feat is rare.

2 ) Golovkin, at age 38 is still excellent. The Rocky Marciano of modern times for middleweight with a twist. Golovkin beat his best past his prime, while Rocky beat his best when his opponents were mostly past their primes. This separates Golovkin from the pack of history. #1 in this department as everyone else lost at least once at 160 pounds.

Successful title defenses 21! #1 all time.

Key takeaways:

1 ) 21 title defenses is more than Hopkins ( 20 ). Ring legends like Monzon and Hagler have 14, and 12 respectively. Golovkin is in elite company. Once again he separates himself from the pack of history. I'd argue anyone that 21 title defenses should be shortlisted for the top 15.


Style and skills

Without a doubt Golovkin is a swarming attacker with rare power, who can target the head or the body, but his style and power alone do not define him. In my opinion, he's got one of the top jabs in the history of the division. His power rates as no worse than 3rd best of all time ( 83.7%KO ratio ) and he also has one of the top chins, as he was never floored in 42 professional matches...or ever floored in 350 amateur matches. This unheard of for any division. This is a total of 388 matches with never being knocked down. Amazing.

Key Take away: Golovkin rates #1 in KO percentage among all middleweight champions, and he is the only one never to be floored. He can win by outboxing and landing with his jab, with his power, or by slugging. The chances of knocking him out in 388 boxing matches is a statistical zero.


Winning his best matches past his prime.

Among the greats, one has to ask when did they retire? Gerb was only 32, he died young, but was slowing at this age. Hagler, just 32. Walker and Mozon, age 34. By retiring when they did, each man prevented further losses. The interesting point here is Golovkin, won key matches past his prime at age 34-35, vs. style matchup that past their prime boxers have the most trouble against. That is speedy/defensive fighters. He contiunes to look good at age 38.

Golovkin defeated the following men at 34-35

Wade, who as undefeated at age 26
Brook, who was undefeated at age 30.
Jacobs, who was 34-1 at age 30

What we have here is rare, an older champion defeating much young raked opponents in their prime. Only the true greats can do this.

GGG did not officially defeat Canelo, three judges, one of them crooked beyond belief called a draw. The majority of media scorecards correctly had GGG as the winner, and it appears Canelo who refused to weight in the night of the fight, was on peds.

In the amateurs, Golovkin drafted name professionals such as Matvey Korobov (RUS) 19:10, Andy Lee (29:9), Lucian Bute (stoppage).


Pound for pound status.

The pinnacle any boxer can hope for. Golvokin is currently #1 in Ring Magazine pound for pound ratings. Ring Magazine ratings, though not 100% perfect are boxing best ratings. How many former middleweight champions have been #1 pound for pound, a term coined for Sugar Ray Robison? VERY FEW. Anyone want to count?


Quality of opposition beaten.

This is the one area where critics have a point, but to be fair, it's not like Golovkin had a chance to fight hall of fame fighters. Mayweather would never fight him, not even if the IRS was after him and his net worth was zero. Nor world Cotto, who would have undoubtedly been knocked out. Pac? Forget it he knew better. I also feel Martinez, wanted no part of GGG either. Canelo soiled the re-match by testing positive. GGG was avoided and unlucky.

But I did a count of fighters Golovkin defeated that was ring magazine annually ranked. I do not have access to monthly rankings so this number could be higher.

Geale ( KO WIN )
Murray ( KO WIN )
Lemieux ( KO WIN )
Jacobs ( Points Win )
Rubio ( KO WIN )
Macklin ( KO WIN )
Stevens ( KO WIN )
Canelo ( Bogus Draw )
Canelo ( Bogus points loss )
Derevyanchenko ( Points win )
Szeremeta ( KO WIN )

So GGG here is officially 9-1-1 but should be 11-0.

Now for the closing. While Golovkin's opponents beaten doesn't stand out, he blew many of them away and edged others past his prime. He should be undefeated. Did other top ten all time greats lost to lesser fighters than GGG fought? Absolutely! How about some examples? Read on...

Hagler lost to Monroe and Watts. Hagler also drew with Antuofermo. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better than the opponents Hagler lost to or drew with.

Monzon lost to Aguilar, Cambeiro, Massi who was only 2-0 and drew NINE times. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better then the guys Monzon lost to or drew with

Greb lost to some guys you probably never heard of! Bartfield, Chip, Graves, Borrell, Keiser, Graves ( TKO Loss ), I'll skip the numerous draws and his first 20 bouts. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better then the guys Greb lost to or drew with.

Walker lost to Delmont making his debut ( KO Loss ), Smith, making his debut ( KO Loss ), Gradwell, S. O'Brien twice, Pitts, Shade, Bogash, Ward, Nelson, Malone, Latzo, and Dundee. I'll skip the four draws and name losses. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better than the guys Walker, lost to or drew with.

Looking back, its hard to imagine if video and web were around back then, 'cause modern fans would rip them to pieces.

[Stellar]

So like is all of what u wrote supposed to be like some rough draft to be sent to WADA’s comments and suggestions inbox? Like the 2ng appeal for Clenbuterol? I mean WADA never said “btw, our threshold only specifically applies to boxing doe!”

Boxing doe? I’m sorry? I don’t speak ‘Down Syndrome.’ That’s not ‘pc”? I am just stating a fact. The author appears to be fluent. I’m a little jealous, perhaps. Perhaps not. I don’t care. Anyhow, I can almost guarantee there’s no downies’s reading this. So relax, please. The author’s not going to understand this, I’ll wager. Seriously, I apologize for the rant. I was definitely high as a kite. And I thought I was contributing. It turns out, I was not. Note to self: no internet for at least six hours of smoking. That dribble was the product of weed and Adderall, I get super focused on irrelevant things. Like Clenbuterol. Or butter. That was painful to read, I couldn’t get through it myself. Talk about ******ed. Am I right? Yes, I did it again. But I used self deprecation to demonstrate self awareness, and to not sound like an ****. It doesn’t work. And that’s the lesson here. Done

[Stellar]

Whoa

The middleweight division, without a, doubt one of the four most essential divisions in boxing.

Ranking the best in division history is no easy task, partly because the rich history dates back to the 1840's, and many of the best matches were never filmed or have become lost films.

Generally speaking, most historians or serious fans would place the names Gerb, Robinson, Hagler, Monzon, Walker, and Fitzsimmons in their top ten, and all would make the top 15. I'm not going to argue these six men don't belong. Instead, I will at times use them as a benchmark to show why Golovkin belongs in the top 15 in the history of the division. After all, if they are a consensus of the top ten, and Golovkin compares favorably or equal in many areas, he most certainly belongs.


Professional Ring Record 41-1-1***. 83.72% KO ratio. He should be un-defeated. World Title belts held. WBA, WBC, and IBF.

Key take aways

1 ) Golovkin won all three major belts, a way some define the real champion in modern times hamstrung by politics. Such a feat is rare.

2 ) Golovkin, at age 38 is still excellent. The Rocky Marciano of modern times for middleweight with a twist. Golovkin beat his best past his prime, while Rocky beat his best when his opponents were mostly past their primes. This separates Golovkin from the pack of history. #1 in this department as everyone else lost at least once at 160 pounds.

Successful title defenses 21! #1 all time.

Key takeaways:

1 ) 21 title defenses is more than Hopkins ( 20 ). Ring legends like Monzon and Hagler have 14, and 12 respectively. Golovkin is in elite company. Once again he separates himself from the pack of history. I'd argue anyone that 21 title defenses should be shortlisted for the top 15.


Style and skills

Without a doubt Golovkin is a swarming attacker with rare power, who can target the head or the body, but his style and power alone do not define him. In my opinion, he's got one of the top jabs in the history of the division. His power rates as no worse than 3rd best of all time ( 83.7%KO ratio ) and he also has one of the top chins, as he was never floored in 42 professional matches...or ever floored in 350 amateur matches. This unheard of for any division. This is a total of 388 matches with never being knocked down. Amazing.

Key Take away: Golovkin rates #1 in KO percentage among all middleweight champions, and he is the only one never to be floored. He can win by outboxing and landing with his jab, with his power, or by slugging. The chances of knocking him out in 388 boxing matches is a statistical zero.


Winning his best matches past his prime.

Among the greats, one has to ask when did they retire? Gerb was only 32, he died young, but was slowing at this age. Hagler, just 32. Walker and Mozon, age 34. By retiring when they did, each man prevented further losses. The interesting point here is Golovkin, won key matches past his prime at age 34-35, vs. style matchup that past their prime boxers have the most trouble against. That is speedy/defensive fighters. He contiunes to look good at age 38.

Golovkin defeated the following men at 34-35

Wade, who as undefeated at age 26
Brook, who was undefeated at age 30.
Jacobs, who was 34-1 at age 30

What we have here is rare, an older champion defeating much young raked opponents in their prime. Only the true greats can do this.

GGG did not officially defeat Canelo, three judges, one of them crooked beyond belief called a draw. The majority of media scorecards correctly had GGG as the winner, and it appears Canelo who refused to weight in the night of the fight, was on peds.

In the amateurs, Golovkin drafted name professionals such as Matvey Korobov (RUS) 19:10, Andy Lee (29:9), Lucian Bute (stoppage).


Pound for pound status.

The pinnacle any boxer can hope for. Golvokin is currently #1 in Ring Magazine pound for pound ratings. Ring Magazine ratings, though not 100% perfect are boxing best ratings. How many former middleweight champions have been #1 pound for pound, a term coined for Sugar Ray Robison? VERY FEW. Anyone want to count?


Quality of opposition beaten.

This is the one area where critics have a point, but to be fair, it's not like Golovkin had a chance to fight hall of fame fighters. Mayweather would never fight him, not even if the IRS was after him and his net worth was zero. Nor world Cotto, who would have undoubtedly been knocked out. Pac? Forget it he knew better. I also feel Martinez, wanted no part of GGG either. Canelo soiled the re-match by testing positive. GGG was avoided and unlucky.

But I did a count of fighters Golovkin defeated that was ring magazine annually ranked. I do not have access to monthly rankings so this number could be higher.

Geale ( KO WIN )
Murray ( KO WIN )
Lemieux ( KO WIN )
Jacobs ( Points Win )
Rubio ( KO WIN )
Macklin ( KO WIN )
Stevens ( KO WIN )
Canelo ( Bogus Draw )
Canelo ( Bogus points loss )
Derevyanchenko ( Points win )
Szeremeta ( KO WIN )

So GGG here is officially 9-1-1 but should be 11-0.

Now for the closing. While Golovkin's opponents beaten doesn't stand out, he blew many of them away and edged others past his prime. He should be undefeated. Did other top ten all time greats lost to lesser fighters than GGG fought? Absolutely! How about some examples? Read on...

Hagler lost to Monroe and Watts. Hagler also drew with Antuofermo. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better than the opponents Hagler lost to or drew with.

Monzon lost to Aguilar, Cambeiro, Massi who was only 2-0 and drew NINE times. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better then the guys Monzon lost to or drew with

Greb lost to some guys you probably never heard of! Bartfield, Chip, Graves, Borrell, Keiser, Graves ( TKO Loss ), I'll skip the numerous draws and his first 20 bouts. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better then the guys Greb lost to or drew with.

Walker lost to Delmont making his debut ( KO Loss ), Smith, making his debut ( KO Loss ), Gradwell, S. O'Brien twice, Pitts, Shade, Bogash, Ward, Nelson, Malone, Latzo, and Dundee. I'll skip the four draws and name losses. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better than the guys Walker, lost to or drew with.

Looking back, its hard to imagine if video and web were around back then, 'cause modern fans would rip them to pieces.

Holy crap, that’s a good post. No arguments here.

[Stellar]

There is a saying with sporting Dogs clenbuterol allows them to breath underwater, meaning they dont gas out it gives them so much air, thats the number one reason they use it.

Yes. It is a bronchodilator. No it would not be prudent to take it on fight day. Because it causes tremors and a fever. Which is much more energy draining than a little bit of extra oxygen could warrant. But the dogs are swimming underwater. So it makes sense that they can swim farther. If boxers had to hold their breath for the duration of each round, it might help. But in almost every federation, they are allowed to breath. I think perhaps it’s less of a saying and more of a parable? I don’t know, I have never heard it. I should probably get out more.