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  • Scopedog
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    #11
    I do think Horn's win over Pacquiao was legitimate, and always have. I think salty Pacquiao fans and Teddy Atlas among others worked overtime to poison the well when it came to discussing that fight in order to solidify the perception that it was a robbery when it wasn't. I do think it was poorly refereed and Horn leveraged that to his advantage but that's got nothing to do with the judges.

    I also like Crawford, but that said, you look at what Horn's accomplished since getting picked apart by Crawford, or more precisely what he's failed to accomplish, and that has to take the lustre off the win somewhat. Pacquiao's really the only one good win in his career - before that his best win was against Randall Bailey and since losing the title to Crawford his only convincing win was over the shot cadaver of Anthony Mundine. Otherwise it's been one unconvincing majority decision win and two stoppage defeats. You can try and put records out of the picture entirely and assess him on the eyetest, and it's not really any better - his skillset is average at best, and his success came mostly from size and physicality at Welter, and when he foolishly abandoned that by travelling northwards of 150 lds he started to lose not just more frequently, but badly too. You look at all that and it's not hard to conclude that him beating Pacquiao was just a fluke. Pacquiao's having something of a second wind in his career right now, but circa losing to Horn he was looking pretty shopworn, was having an off day, and got beaten by Horn's wrestling more than his boxing ability. Even then, while Horn won more rounds on my card, the rounds that Pacquiao did win he won more convincingly, had Horn hurt and fairly busted up at points, so I can understand why people thought that Pacquiao deserved to win that fight.

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    • Kezzer
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      #12
      What’s your obsession with Crawford? Jeff horn has lost to a few fighters , one win doesn’t make him p4p! You had wilder rank 4 p4p which clearly shows how little you consider the importance of a cv.

      You need to actually beat decent opponents; not take on the likes of brook who is no where near their own best ; never mind anywhere near the best in the world.

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      • TernceBudCharlo
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        #13
        Originally posted by Kezzer
        What’s your obsession with Crawford? Jeff horn has lost to a few fighters , one win doesn’t make him p4p! You had wilder rank 4 p4p which clearly shows how little you consider the importance of a cv.

        You need to actually beat decent opponents; not take on the likes of brook who is no where near their own best ; never mind anywhere near the best in the world.
        Why was brook a legit win for EJ but not Bud??

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        • TernceBudCharlo
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          #14
          Cuz clowns be saying Brook wasn't a legit win for Bud cuz he didn't say the word "chocolate Brownies" like he did against GGG, lmfao dying

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          • Kezzer
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            #15
            Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo
            Why was brook a legit win for EJ but not Bud??
            It wasn’t. But at least he took him on first? Crawford probably wouldn’t have even taken him on if he didn’t work out how easy he would be otherwise.

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            • TernceBudCharlo
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              #16
              Originally posted by Kezzer
              It wasn’t. But at least he took him on first?
              Nobody says that bout Indongo. All they say is "ohh, Prograis KO him faster"

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              • whollisboxing
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                #17
                Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo
                Nobody gives Bud credit for his win over Jeff Horn?

                Serious question, hear me out. Regardless of who you think won the Pacman fight, you CANNOT tell me there were 6 clear dominant rounds for Manny. Horn took the fight to him and was clipping him w a lot of hard shots. Not a robbery by any means. Bud made it look easy thought and absolutely wrecked the guy. Again this is the same Manny who went on to roll through AB and Keith Thurman (but people want to complain about how Bud hasn't fought Porter).

                The bottom line is this. Y'all say that Bud's resume sucks, but him and Manny have a common opponent. Even if you think Manny won the fight, the difference is that Bud thrashed him and Manny didn't.
                I always felt like Bud's win over Jeff Horn was legit, especially for his first fight at 147. Horn is a big, strong welterweight if nothing else and he wasn't able to bully Crawford like some people thought he would.

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                • BodyBagz
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                  #18
                  Horn is a part time boxer

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                  • Kezzer
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo
                    Nobody says that bout Indongo. All they say is "ohh, Prograis KO him faster"
                    I really don’t know why you so desperately want him to be p4p. If he really is p4p then he needs to take on the best, simple as that. Prove he is the best in his own division is a starting point.

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                    • Boxing-1013
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo
                      This idea that Bud needs to somehow "prove himself" against Danny Garcia or Porter is just a cop out. Everyone knows what fight needs to happen next at WW.
                      Yep exactly....

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