Comments Thread For: Canelo Shakes His Head at Mayweather-Paul, Rise of Celeb Exhibition Bouts

[Fire4231]

Every boxer (or athlete) who passes up millions of dollars for an exhibition ''fight'' is a fool and will be crying poverty when their sport no longer needs them.

Lol... I agree in this way broski, when it comes to athlete's the game always sees them as financial instruments.

In return, boxers can’t fall in love with this game and begin to forget that boxing is not just a sport it’s as brutal of a business in existence.

These boxing shenanigans have been going on since gladiator times and the terms never change.

They give the fighter just enough to keep fighting and complete freedom is always three steps ahead.

This game is what we think it is. Till this day, Mayweather and Delahoya are the only guys I have seen take their old promoters financial freedom. That’s why old Bob is so bitter.

The financial instruments out grew his bad business and took over the market.

[Boxing-1013]

GTFOH- Canelo was nobody exceptional before Floyd. Canelo was begging for the Mexican Holidays. What has he done with them? Look here bro bottomline... Canelo isn’t and will never be on Floyd’s level.

From sales, to fight record, to impact on the sport, to competitive performances, to non-competitive performances, to that in the ring beat down/ shut the **** out mutha can’t even love it loss, to the education his would be prime @ss received in the ring Floyd is 8 times the fighter Canelo was and ever could be.

Canelo will always be the guy that used clenbuterol, weight drain strategies, fake weight classes, catch weights, paid judges, weak competition, undersized competition, washed up competition, tomato cans, duck strategies and fake titles, and don’t forget Franchise titles to build his hollow @ss legacy.

Canelo isn’t on Pacquiao’s level. He isn’t on Juan Manuel Marquez’s level. He isn’t on Arturo Gatti’s level. At least Gatti fought straight up and went for his. Freeze fan boy nobody is buying the bulls excrement. Take that nonsense and walk.

...the only real 'stars' made in today's boxing, in North America, are because of Mexican fans. And I'm not saying that as a Mexican. It's just the truth.

Mexicans made Floyd a star because Floyd was the anti-Mexican and fought a ton of them, including the big star De la Hoya. Floyd's support was largely that fanbase and others like it turning in to see him lose.

Canelo is just the next Mexican star. After ODLH. Chavez etc

[Fire4231]

...the only real 'stars' made in today's boxing, in North America, are because of Mexican fans. And I'm not saying that as a Mexican. It's just the truth.

Mexicans made Floyd a star because Floyd was the anti-Mexican and fought a ton of them, including the big star De la Hoya. Floyd's support was largely that fanbase and others like it turning in to see him lose.

Canelo is just the next Mexican star. After ODLH. Chavez etc

Bro, I am going to pretend I didn’t see you change topics because I want to go to that same place. That is not the truth about Mexican fans. I appreciate all fans and all fighters. That is till their fans become obnoxious, racist and possessive. So fan racism really hurts the fighters bank accounts.

However I road with Lomachenko when all his recent fans were all about GGG. Road with Canelo even after fans bailed on him for that 5th of May let down. But what you are saying is mostly not true. Mexican fans do matter. However you have been sold a bunch of lies by the best story teller in boxing Bob Arum.

Just like he made up the talking point that black fighters don’t sell. Hmmm... I believe he dropped that media ***el the year Floyd was listed as the highest paid athlete in the ENTIRE world.

Bob also created the Mexicans were responsible for Floyd success BS. Have you seen the numbers? The World was responsible for Floyd’s success. Floyd’s promotion made the world want to show up to hate or support.

It is easiest to create a superfight by polarizing two countries and emphasizing their differences. From race, to religion, nationality or even personalities big fights are usually made in boxing by putting a mass of people against another mass of people.
Bob just chose to discount the second mass and give all the credit to the fan base that is easier to promote. With loyal fan bases you don’t have to risk a fighter by putting him in competitive fights. Easy money and your small but elite stable doesn’t shrink.

In addition, at the time it was designed to take success from Mayweather and Haymon’s promotional ability. By saying his work to grow Delahoya was responsible, he now can take credit away from a Floyd Mayweather he failed to maximize or appreciate.

Look at the biggest boxing PPV fights in history. The only Mexican vs Mexican fight I can think of is Chavez Jr. Vs Canelo. Why is that if you guys are the biggest fan base? Why wasn’t that fight bigger than Canelo Mayweather? Matter fact it wasn’t even close.

However if we go to American Heavyweights Tyson, Holyfield etc... we’re all American vs American PPV blockbusters. Mayweather vs Mosely did quite well also.

GOnce again if Mexican played the biggest part of his success what happened with Floyd vs Connor? Y’all all boycotted the circus at Oscars jealous request? I was in Vegas, wasn’t a huge Mexican presence. What about Mayweather vs Pacquiao? Yes you supported but who didn’t? The fight was massive.

Take Mayweather out and what happens to Canelo’s numbers? They drop by three million. Canelo vs GGG and Canelo vs Chavez Jr. We’re no where near Canelo vs Mayweather.

Btw - Canelo vs GGG was a polarized fight. And please don’t tell me GGG *****g on a sombrero and claiming Mexican style helped him steal half the Mexican Fans.

When that fight was a draw you could see the cultural split based on the online reactions. No GGG did not have as many Mexican fans as Canelo. Another huge lie told in boxing That was not Mexican Style vs Mexican Style it was Europe vs Mexico with the US torn right down the middle.

Bob has been selling spin at the highest levels for years. Unfortunately this racist sport will eat it up every time with two spoons. Bro American fans get discounted because they know they can depend on us. But take us out the equation and there are very few mega fights. That is the truth brother. And Bobas desire to control the narrative won’t change that.

[Boxing-1013]

Bro, I am going to pretend I didn’t see you change topics because I want to go to that same place. That is not the truth about Mexican fans. I appreciate all fans and all fighters. That is till their fans become obnoxious, racist and possessive. Then they no longer get my money. Road with Lomachenko when all his recent fans were all about GGG. Road with Canelo even after fans bailed on him for that 5th of May let down. But what you are saying is mostly not true. You have been sold a bunch of lies by the best story teller in boxing.

You know who made the BS up Bob Arum. Just like he made up the talking point that black fighters don’t sell. Hmmm... I believe he dropped that media ***el the year Floyd was listed as the highest paid athlete in the ENTIRE world.

Bob created the Mexicans were responsible for Floyd success BS. Have you seen the numbers the World was responsible for Floyd’s success. Floyd’s promotion made that happen.

It was easy to create a superfight by polarizing two countries and emphasizing their differences. From race, to religion, nationality or even personalities big fights are usually made in boxing by putting a mass of people against another mass of people.

Bob just chose to discount the second mass and give all the credit to the fan base that is easier to promote to in order to take success from Mayweather’s promotional ability. By saying his work to grow Delahoya was responsible he now can take credit away from a Floyd Mayweather he failed to maximize.

Look at the biggest boxing PPV fights in history. The only Mexican vs Mexican fight I can think of is Chavez Jr. Vs Canelo. Why is that if you guys are the biggest fan base? Why wasn’t that fight bigger?

However if we go to American Heavyweights Tyson, Holyfield etc... we’re the only American vs American PPV blockbusters.

Most fights are huge because they place country against country and continent against continent. Mexicans can take credit for helping to make Mayweather vs Delahoya and Mayweather vs. Alvarez huge. But what happened with Mayweather vs McGregor and Mayweather vs. Pacquiao. Take Mayweather out and what happens to Canelo’s numbers?

Canelo vs GGG was a polarized fight. And please don’t tell me GGG *****g on a sombrero and claiming Mexican style helped him steal Mexican Fans.

When that fight was a draw you could see the cultural split based on the online reactions. No GGG did not have as many Mexican fans as Canelo. Another huge lie told in boxing That was not Mexican Style vs Mexican Style it was Europe vs Mexico with the US torn right down the middle.

Bob has been selling spin at the highest levels for years. Unfortunately this racist sport will eat it up every time with two spoons. Bro American fans get discounted because they know they can depend on us. But take us out the equation and there are very few mega fights. That is the truth brother.

Appreciate the reply man, but I'm not Mexican. I did mention that in my original post, just for the record.

I agree with you about Arum, he is a snake. Would never trust him.

Yes the HWs are kind of a different story. But they sell because HWs have always sold. The average person only really cares about the biggest guys fighting. So to the casual fan, the HWs will sell, historically.

Kind of odd to me sometimes how Wilder isn't a bigger star considering that, just a different era now I guess.

Floyd played his cards very well. I take nothing away from him. I think he was selective in his Money May days, but he was always an excellent smart boxer.

I think a guy from any area can be a 'star' but it just takes the right strike of lightning really. Pac needed Mayweather. And yeah I think Mayweather needed some help too, from other fanbases.

You need the fans and the haters. Mexico seems to have the most ardent fanbase to me.

[boxingitis]

He earned it, well guess Floyd earned it from Oscar huh? Difference is Floyd won the torch. Canelo had it passed to him in sympathy for a shut out loss. Wasn’t he begging for the Mexican holidays?

GTFOH bro... when will ya’ll learn you can’t have it all one way. Why hasn’t Canelo been able to put up those Mayweather PPV numbers without Mayweather? Mayweather has with Pacquiao and McGregor.

Lol... to be honest Kevin Heart vs Rocky Fielding may be a 50/50 fight. Canelo got a whole belt for gifting a guy a fight who shouldn’t be in the top twenty.

Mayweather is just collecting retirement checks against internet ****. Big difference broski. Big ****ing difference.

You are just upset because no one cares about mayweather and he didn' beat anyone in their prime. Remember Canelo was only 23, not a 36 years old. Mayweather taking the torch from old pass his prime coked out De Le Hoya, so impress.

[Fire4231]

Who do you think you are ****ing with?

You are just upset because no one cares about mayweather and he didn' beat anyone in their prime.

Not waisting time on the Mayweather never beat anyone in their prime lunacy. Let’s start and end it with he beat the brakes and suspension off Canelo in his PRIME. The media fed you an excuse to keep you liking Canelo. Stop bro you sound ******.


Remember Canelo was only 23, not a 36 years old.

No you remember common sense... being 36 is not an advantage it is a disadvantage against a Prime 23 year old.

Have to love the Mayweather Media effect. So in every other case 23 vs 36 is great for the younger fighter. 22 didn’t hurt Canelo against Mosely. He looked good enough at 23 against Trout (with those fighter visible score cards to make Trout fight aggressively with less power).

But in the case of Mayweather Canelo all of a sudden for one fight becomes a toddler?

Despite the fact that He was given a gift against Lara one year later. And he beat Cotto at age 25. Him being 23 and Mayweather being 36 is nothing but the reason the fight was even made. Tell you what put 23 year old Canelo in with 23 year old Mayweather and we would have to call the coroner.

Mayweather was beating the great Genaro Hernandez at 22? Where was the elderly advantage then? Genaro was a fresher 32 years of age.

But you same ****s want to talk about how a fighter gets old as soon as he has a close match in his 30’s. As stated you can’t have your lies and your truths too. You just look like you are recycling lies. GTFOH with that media spin. Stop drinking piss dyed to look like Koolaid.

So what Mayweather taking the torch from old pass his prime coked out De Le Hoya, so impress.

So now Delahoya was never any good huh? Don’t matter what you think Prime Delahoya would beat the ***** out of Canelo. You should be erecting shrines to Delahoya. No smoke and mirrors just delivering straight up @ss whoopins.

When Pacquiao beat Delahoya it is an amazing feet. When Mayweather beats him he was washed up two years before that.

Tell you what bro, besting Delahoya wasn’t about beating the best. That was Mayweather all the **** ready. It was about showing the world what the best fighter in the world looks like.

Don’t know why y’all try to run this BS past me. The truth slices through your media BS like a lightsaber. What else you got bro?

[SplitSecond]

Mayweather should be creating other stars in boxing, but he’s still fixated on having the spotlight on him doe. It’s sad.

[Fire4231]

Appreciate the reply man, but I'm not Mexican. I did mention that in my original post, just for the record. Thank you for clarifying. But the points stand nicely whether you are Mexican or whatever.

I agree with you about Arum, he is a snake. Would never trust him. He is a spiteful, competitive snake with an agenda for control over growth of the sport.

Yes the HWs are kind of a different story. But they sell because HWs have always sold. Can’t say that completely. Vlad Klitschko as good as he was couldn’t sell free TV. He just wasn’t exciting. No knock it just is what it is. The average person only really cares about the biggest guys fighting. So to the casual fan, the HWs will sell, historically.
Just can down play the electricity of a guy like Mike. Simply being the best doesn’t allow you to come back 20 years later and still do a million PPV’s. Matter fact Mike wasn’t the best of his era and those considered the best can’t pull that off.

Kind of odd to me sometimes how Wilder isn't a bigger star considering that, just a different era now I guess. Before Fury two Wilder was absolutely huge. The problem is the media is constantly down playing his success to suppress his growth. This is what hurts boxing and the reason the sport isn’t growing. Ineffective promoters and networks are now doing everything they can to keep effective promotional company’s and networks from reaching full potential. But if you look at the numbers and not the articles the truth is revealed.

Floyd played his cards very well. I take nothing away from him. I think he was selective in his Money May days, but he was always an excellent smart boxer. The problem Inhave with calling him selective is he fought the guys people were calling for more than guys like Canelo. People can try to spit on who he fought but they can never tell you who he didn’t fight.

I think a guy from any area can be a 'star' but it just takes the right strike of lightning really. Pac needed Mayweather. And yeah I think Mayweather needed some help too, from other fanbases.We use to just call that promotion. However with Mayweather it’s a way for the media to attack his credibility. Circus yadda yadda that McGregor fight is the second highest grossing fight ever. The fact that boxing media wanted us to feel bad about that says it all.

You need the fans and the haters. Mexico seems to have the most ardent fanbase to me.

They may be ardent but only about there own. Same thing with the UK who is just as ardent. But nothing gathers the world around a fight night campfire like a US Boxing Star. We are and have been the highest grossing fighters in the sport. It isn’t about the fan base it’s about the results. Go down the line we sell tickets because we are doing something special. Boxing is in a slump because it is suppressing fighters who have that thing that pops. Now that it is showing up in fighters like Ryan Garcia we will see boxing’s racist media give a Ryan a full tail wind. Mark my words.

[BodyBagz]

Lol... I agree in this way broski, when it comes to athlete's the game always sees them as financial instruments.

In return, boxers can’t fall in love with this game and begin to forget that boxing is not just a sport it’s as brutal of a business in existence.

These boxing shenanigans have been going on since gladiator times and the terms never change.

They give the fighter just enough to keep fighting and complete freedom is always three steps ahead.

This game is what we think it is. Till this day, Mayweather and Delahoya are the only guys I have seen take their old promoters financial freedom. That’s why old Bob is so bitter.

The financial instruments out grew his bad business and took over the market.

Anytime an athlete can make money, more power to them. As we see, athletes can never have too much money.

For fans to hate on a boxer for maximizing their earning potential, they are not logical. They themselves would do the same shlt for less.

Pac fans and May haters were up in arms over his ''fight'' with Conor. Now that Pac is trying to get that fight, it's all good. Having 1 fight under his belt makes it a legit contest

[BoxingIsGreat]

This is understandable. In this case no one is wrong. Mayweather isn't wrong for grabbing easy money. And Canelo isn't wrong for thinking it's disrespectful for other fighters who commit their lives to the sport of boxing. Not only should these guys not be in a boxing ring in the first place, but they also shouldn't be taking money from the sport that real fighters should be making. And these fights are an embarrassment.

The truth is these guys are not taking money from the boxers, they are pouring more money into boxing through their casual fanbase. They'll disappear soon.

This is not meant for the hardcores. We are all free not to watch them. At least one boxer is getting paid a lot.