Comments Thread For: Canelo: Those Who Know More About Boxing - Consider Me P4P Best

[Robi13]

Career resume, current form, recent victories, and overall level of opposition combined with his accomplishments are all unmatched.

[Boxing Logic]

Career resume, current form, recent victories, and overall level of opposition combined with his accomplishments are all unmatched.

Cash cows will always have the best resume because by being the cash cow, they are allowed to pick all the big names at the perfect times to fight them, at their preferred weight and so on. It was GGG who earned the shot at the belt at 160 that Martinez had and then Cotto took, yet it was Canelo who got to put the Cotto name on his resume, not GGG. It was Canelo who got to jump the line. Why? Not because of merit, but because he's the cash cow.

Same with Chavez Jr. That was also supposed to be GGG's fight, but there was more money in Canelo vs Chavez Jr, so we got that instead.

Considering how disappointing GGG's career has gone, even Lara would be a nice name on his resume compared to the crap he has instead. And assuredly, prime GGG would have beaten Lara much easier than Canelo did.

So in Canelo's case, what does resume have to do with talent or P4P? It just means he's the cash cow and he gets to jump the line to fight all the other big names, not GGG. And some of them, like Kovalev, even seem to perform in very su****ious ways when they fight Canelo... hm....

I mean, how come Dmitry Bivol has such a **** resume? Bivol is the top young/prime up and coming LHW. Lucky for Bivol, the old top guy, Kovalev, was coming off a resurgent year with wins over Alvarez and Yarde. Canelo is a middleweight, so what's he got to do with the discussion? Kovalev was the top vet LHW, Bivol the top prime LHW. So that should have been his fight. Kovalev should have passed the torch to Bivol, and then Bivol would be "the guy" at 175, at least him and Beterbiev.

But instead what happens? Canelo doesn't just get first pick of all the big names in his own division, he even gets to jump the line for big names in all these other divisions too. So now Canelo looks like P4P #1 on resume, and Bivol looks like nobody. Is it because Canelo is better than Bivol? No, it's because Canelo is the cash cow and gets to steal big name wins out from everyone else's nose, even in their division.

Same thing happened to Lomachenko. Mikey Garcia was supposed to be the big fight to make Lomachenko's resume solid. Instead, the American that Boxing wanted to turn into the next American PPV star, Errol Spence, got to fight Mikey from two divisions below him, and Lomachenko was left without a fight. Now Spence's resume looks better than it should, and Lomachenko's looks worse than it should.

See how resume is totally misleading, and has nothing to do with talent, and everything to do with money? You may as well change your list from a P4P list to a $4$ list.

[Bronx23]

Aside from the 1st loss to GGG (2nd fight I thought was the real draw & I think he woulda got a clear victory in the 3rd) I don’t see anyone at 160 or 168 beating Canelo. And dare I say 175? I think his biggest threat is Beterbiev who punches like he has cinderblocks in his gloves but has a suspect chin. Canelo has shown he can play Mayweather and dance laterally from post to post all night like he did in the 1st GGG fight.

I just don’t see anyone that I would be a clear favorite against him

[Boxing Logic]

I just don’t see anyone that I would be a clear favorite against him

Thats because no one trusts anymore that the fights will be real after the weird Kovalev vs Canelo situation. But in real fights, there is no way Canelo would beat Bivol at 175. As for Beterbiev, Canelo was getting hurt and worn down by guys like Liam Smith and Angulo at 154, so how would he even last 6 rounds in a real fight with Beterbiev at 175.

But I agree with you, I'd pick Canelo to win any fight even at heavyweight until he loses. He's the cash cow, that's what wins fights in "boxing," not talent.

[DJrabit]

His business ? What business is that ?

[Robi13]

Cash cows will always have the best resume because by being the cash cow, they are allowed to pick all the big names at the perfect times to fight them, at their preferred weight and so on. It was GGG who earned the shot at the belt at 160 that Martinez had and then Cotto took, yet it was Canelo who got to put the Cotto name on his resume, not GGG. It was Canelo who got to jump the line. Why? Not because of merit, but because he's the cash cow.

Same with Chavez Jr. That was also supposed to be GGG's fight, but there was more money in Canelo vs Chavez Jr, so we got that instead.

Considering how disappointing GGG's career has gone, even Lara would be a nice name on his resume compared to the crap he has instead. And assuredly, prime GGG would have beaten Lara much easier than Canelo did.

So in Canelo's case, what does resume have to do with talent or P4P? It just means he's the cash cow and he gets to jump the line to fight all the other big names, not GGG. And some of them, like Kovalev, even seem to perform in very su****ious ways when they fight Canelo... hm....

I mean, how come Dmitry Bivol has such a **** resume? Bivol is the top young/prime up and coming LHW. Lucky for Bivol, the old top guy, Kovalev, was coming off a resurgent year with wins over Alvarez and Yarde. Canelo is a middleweight, so what's he got to do with the discussion? Kovalev was the top vet LHW, Bivol the top prime LHW. So that should have been his fight. Kovalev should have passed the torch to Bivol, and then Bivol would be "the guy" at 175, at least him and Beterbiev.

But instead what happens? Canelo doesn't just get first pick of all the big names in his own division, he even gets to jump the line for big names in all these other divisions too. So now Canelo looks like P4P #1 on resume, and Bivol looks like nobody. Is it because Canelo is better than Bivol? No, it's because Canelo is the cash cow and gets to steal big name wins out from everyone else's nose, even in their division.

Same thing happened to Lomachenko. Mikey Garcia was supposed to be the big fight to make Lomachenko's resume solid. Instead, the American that Boxing wanted to turn into the next American PPV star, Errol Spence, got to fight Mikey from two divisions below him, and Lomachenko was left without a fight. Now Spence's resume looks better than it should, and Lomachenko's looks worse than it should.

See how resume is totally misleading, and has nothing to do with talent, and everything to do with money? You may as well change your list from a P4P list to a $4$ list.

Ok, with all that being said, he earned all that with victories and performance in the ring. If anyone can just choose to be a cash cow they would. The man deserves the spot he is at because of his hard work and dedication to the sport. And even being able to pick and choose opponents at whatever time.. he still picked and chose his way to having the best resume outside of Pacquiao... so give the man credit, he earned it... his first fight as a free agent and he picks the lineal undefeated in his prine callum smith who is 6-7 inches taller then Canelo and will probably enjoy a 6-7 inch reach advantage (I’m guessing) let’s let’s judge Canelo and floyd or any other free agent superstar for who they picked and chose when they were free agent cash cows... so far, I think we can all agree Canelo is off to a helluva start... the show just got started... grab your popcorn

[Thuglife Nelo]

Cash cows will always have the best resume because by being the cash cow, they are allowed to pick all the big names at the perfect times to fight them, at their preferred weight and so on. It was GGG who earned the shot at the belt at 160 that Martinez had and then Cotto took, yet it was Canelo who got to put the Cotto name on his resume, not GGG. It was Canelo who got to jump the line. Why? Not because of merit, but because he's the cash cow.

Same with Chavez Jr. That was also supposed to be GGG's fight, but there was more money in Canelo vs Chavez Jr, so we got that instead.

Considering how disappointing GGG's career has gone, even Lara would be a nice name on his resume compared to the crap he has instead. And assuredly, prime GGG would have beaten Lara much easier than Canelo did.

So in Canelo's case, what does resume have to do with talent or P4P? It just means he's the cash cow and he gets to jump the line to fight all the other big names, not GGG. And some of them, like Kovalev, even seem to perform in very su****ious ways when they fight Canelo... hm....

I mean, how come Dmitry Bivol has such a **** resume? Bivol is the top young/prime up and coming LHW. Lucky for Bivol, the old top guy, Kovalev, was coming off a resurgent year with wins over Alvarez and Yarde. Canelo is a middleweight, so what's he got to do with the discussion? Kovalev was the top vet LHW, Bivol the top prime LHW. So that should have been his fight. Kovalev should have passed the torch to Bivol, and then Bivol would be "the guy" at 175, at least him and Beterbiev.

But instead what happens? Canelo doesn't just get first pick of all the big names in his own division, he even gets to jump the line for big names in all these other divisions too. So now Canelo looks like P4P #1 on resume, and Bivol looks like nobody. Is it because Canelo is better than Bivol? No, it's because Canelo is the cash cow and gets to steal big name wins out from everyone else's nose, even in their division.

Same thing happened to Lomachenko. Mikey Garcia was supposed to be the big fight to make Lomachenko's resume solid. Instead, the American that Boxing wanted to turn into the next American PPV star, Errol Spence, got to fight Mikey from two divisions below him, and Lomachenko was left without a fight. Now Spence's resume looks better than it should, and Lomachenko's looks worse than it should.

See how resume is totally misleading, and has nothing to do with talent, and everything to do with money? You may as well change your list from a P4P list to a $4$ list.

All this mess talking about GGG vs Martinez in a P4P debate yet you didn’t bring up Andre Ward. GGG was always bigger than Canelo before they met. I never understood why GGg diehards have always been so scared to say that he should’ve gone northbound and made noise at 168. They say “there weren’t any big fights...” lol. This was all said before his Lemieux PPV. Therefore WHO WAS GGG to say he was some cash cow deserving “big money fights” at 168?

GGG protectors have always been the worse. Good karma with Canelo in GGG’s legacy narrative. The redhead and to take all that debt because the Kazakh Middleweight didn’t want his name revolving around Ward. Loeffler and Abel steered fans away from that while HBO only cared about the rating and subs for the Mexican star with GGg. Karma is great!

[Thuglife Nelo]

Thats because no one trusts anymore that the fights will be real after the weird Kovalev vs Canelo situation. But in real fights, there is no way Canelo would beat Bivol at 175. As for Beterbiev, Canelo was getting hurt and worn down by guys like Liam Smith and Angulo at 154, so how would he even last 6 rounds in a real fight with Beterbiev at 175.

But I agree with you, I'd pick Canelo to win any fight even at heavyweight until he loses. He's the cash cow, that's what wins fights in "boxing," not talent.

Lol. Canelo hater. AJ is also a cash cow. That didn’t save him against Ruiz. You’re saying Canelo was getting hurt and worn down by Smith and Angulo.... I mean seriously you’re just making stuff up or you don’t know boxing. Your username is jokes mayne!

[kidbazooka]

Lol. Canelo hater. AJ is also a cash cow. That didn’t save him against Ruiz. You’re saying Canelo was getting hurt and worn down by Smith and Angulo.... I mean seriously you’re just making stuff up or you don’t know boxing. Your username is jokes mayne!

Those are very simple ppl just ignore those goofs.

[ArthurDimes]

I mean he far and away has the best resume, no one can argue that. However, whenever Spence and Crawford do face I gotta give it to the winner. Both have been completely convincing in all their bouts at a prime time weight class.