Comments Thread For: Canelo: Those Who Know More About Boxing - Consider Me P4P Best

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The pound-for-pound debate continues. A few months ago, Vasiliy Lomachenko was regarded by some as the best pound-for-pound fighter in the sport - and then he lost a twelve round unanimous decision to Teofimo Lopez in October.
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[Dreamking]

Those who know Boxing have an asterisks next to majority of your fights. Clown ass 155lb champion.

[boxingitis]

He does have the best resume of all.
Only if Spence and TBud would fight, the winner would be P4P.

[ShoulderRoll]

Best combination of skills and resume in the sport.

[Catch n shoot]

Makes sense.. everyone who considered loma#1 shouldn't dispute this.. after all canelo is white too

[daggum]

at least he is staying grounded. like ground clen meat!

[Ricardi]

Canelos number 1 until Crawford and Spence fight.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Those who know Boxing have an asterisks next to majority of your fights. Clown ass 155lb champion.

Lol. There is nothing wrong with any 155 fight. They were all fair. Lara, Angulo, Kirkland weren’t Championship fights. Should Canelo have defended his Middleweight bout at 160 like GGG with Brook? Or was 155 a catchweight? Derp...

Spence fought Van Heerden at Super Welterweight. Where’s the uproar about that fight? Nobody cares because both fighters agreed. Oh no wait, “Middleweight Spence drained Van Heerden because Canelo was always a Cruiserweight!”

You guys don’t know boxing. Most of the time you guys don’t know what you’re posting about.

[kidbazooka]

Ofcourse he’s number #1 The Ring magazine has him rightfully so.

Only an idiot doesn’t have canelo number #1.

[Boxing Logic]

#BoycottP4PTalk

All the P4P discussion is getting old really fast. It used to be a way to identify the best talents in the sport, even if they were avoided, just based on how dominant they were vs common opponents compared to other top guys in the sport and stuff like that.

Now it's turned into a full fledged promotional tool. In my opinion I even noticed shills in the media trying to sneak big names, or potential future big PPV names, into P4P lists just as a way to try to sell future PPVS way down the line, essentially. IMO we saw this when Canelo was put in the top 3 before even beating GGG, and Crawford and Spence were both put in the top 5 almost the moment that Floyd retired.

As soon as Juan Manuel Marquez was on the way out, the writers started putting a new big Mexican name in the top 5 of the list. As soon as Floyd was on the way out, the writers started putting new big African American names on the list.

When Arum was trying to promote Wilder vs Fury as PPV in the US, writers started talking about both Fury and Wilder in the P4P top 10.

Before the Kovalev-Ward PPV, both of them were in the top 5, even though Ward hadn't done anything in years.

In other words, P4P lists have been corrupted and ruined by shills and promoters, in my opinion. It's better not to even engage in P4P talk anymore, because of how IMO corrupted it's been. There are a few placeholders here and there who aren't big ticket sellers, like Chocolatito, but that's all they are, placeholders. The guys who sell lots of PPVs, Floyd, Pacquiao, Canelo, their top 5 P4P spots seem to be permanently reserved for them (in their primes, anyway). But the guys who don't sell lots of PPVs, like GGG, Kovalev, Chocolatito, Lomachenko, even Ward to some degree, they don't keep their spots very long, at least their #1 spot. GGG kept a high spot for awhile but IMO only because the Canelo vs GGG rivalry dragged out for so long, and IMO they wanted both of them in the top 3 to help PPV sales. But once the two Canelo vs GGG PPVs were over, you saw how quickly most the media dropped GGG out of the top spots even though he arguably deserved his spot no less after the 2nd Canelo fight than he did after the first Canelo fight! He looked like **** in both those fights, by his standards, yet they kept him at #1 or #2 or #3 P4P heading up to the second PPV! I wonder why!

And then you got completely dominant LHWs like Bivol and Beterbiev, both of whom deserve to be in that Spence and Crawford conversation, but you won't find them in anyone's top 5 P4P list because they're Russians who don't sell tickets or PPVs in the US like Spence and Crawford do! It has nothing to do with race as far as I can tell, just economics. But that's not supposed to affect how we rank their talent! There's supposed to be a division between promoters who care about selling tickets, and boxing writers who rank according to talent and accomplishment and opportunity, not economics! Yet IMO we see boxing writers basing their P4P lists as much on what will help promoters sell more PPVs as they do on talent and merit of the boxers as athletes! IMO that tells you many boxing writers are in league with the promoters!