Comments Thread For: Joshua: Pulev Will Be a Good Fight To Indicate Where I'm At

[KingGilgamesh]

I'm just speaking facts denium. the HW's are the biggest p*ssies in boxing. I dont even remember flyweights or even the women crying as much.

If it wasnt for the 'Bronze-Bomber' Deontay Wilder, nobody in America would follow this awful weight class ; just look at the numbers in Deontay Wilder threads, the numbers dont lie. Like I told you before, we dont care about A.J or Phooey, DEAL WITH IT.

LOL you're being over the top. Fury is still a very solid name and tons of people in the USA knows who he is. Will he put bums on seats? Nah. He isn't a KO artist...but it doesn't take away from his clear talent.

[Blackstarr]

How can the version of Wlad who just beat Christian Hammer a few months before be inferior to the one coming off a loss and 16 months out of action???

I’m not saying I agree, but I think it’s reference to the fact that Wlad literally didn’t throw any punches in the Fury fight and looked completely listless, whereas he seemed very dialled on in the AJ fight.

People forget that almost all the talk after that fight was about what Wlad didn’t do, rather than what Fury did do, which also wasn’t a lot. But one could argue that this was down to Fury, whose size and awkwardness potentially threw Klitschko off.

I personally feel that Wlad’s performance against Fury was an aberration, and that he would have done far better in a rematch. Unfortunately we never got to find out as Fury got suspended one month before the proposed rematch, which was hidden from public, and then coincidentally went on a 2 year hiatus (the standard length for a UKAD drug’s ban) and used the convenient umbrella of ‘depression’.

[KingGilgamesh]

I’m not saying I agree, but I think it’s reference to the fact that Wlad literally didn’t throw any punches in the Fury fight and looked completely listless, whereas he seemed very dialled on in the AJ fight.

People forget that almost all the talk after that fight was about what Wlad didn’t do, rather than what Fury did do, which also wasn’t a lot. But one could argue that this was down to Fury, whose size and awkwardness potentially threw Klitschko off.

I personally feel that Wlad’s performance against Fury was an aberration, and that he would have done far better in a rematch. Unfortunately we never got to find out as Fury got suspended one month before the proposed rematch, which was hidden from public, and then coincidentally went on a 2 year hiatus (the standard length for a UKAD drug’s ban) and used the convenient umbrella of ‘depression’.

This is what I mean, the lengths some of you Matchroom casuals will go to rewrite reality and common logical sense. NO fighter coming off a loss and over a year of inactivity will be considered a better version of the one holding titles and fresh of a near decade long win streak. Utterly insane stuff.

By this logic, was the second fight between Joshua and Ruiz an "aberration"?? Since he fought extremely negatively? How does this pass for Fury and not for AJ? Yes, Fury's size and awkwardness threw Klistchko off. Same way it throws everyone off. Thats not in anyway indicative of an unearned win. Wlad is a notoriously conservative fighter who picks his shots, clinches and rides out decision wins because of his questionable chin. Styles make fights. You can't lose to a defensive fighter and blame the fighter. This is the same ****ty logic that people use to claim Mayweather "runs" from fights. That's such a casual take I dislike even entertaining it.

[Stuntman Mike]

Well A.J, you are going to fight a Big-Man this time and you wont have a 22 foot ring to run. Every time Gay-J fights a top contender around or over 6′ 4″, he stinks or nearly gets KO -- Thats what I'm hoping for Kubrat to do.

I just threw the Ruiz vs. Joshua II. gifs to highlight how scared A.J is of letting his opponents touch his chin.

Aj has definetly lost his bottle it wont come back

[Blackstarr]

This is what I mean, the lengths some of you Matchroom casuals will go to rewrite reality and common logical sense. NO fighter coming off a loss and over a year of inactivity will be considered a better version of the one holding titles and fresh of a near decade long win streak. Utterly insane stuff.

By this logic, was the second fight between Joshua and Ruiz an "aberration"?? Since he fought extremely negatively? How does this pass for Fury and not for AJ? Yes, Fury's size and awkwardness threw Klistchko off. Same way it throws everyone off. Thats not in anyway indicative of an unearned win. Wlad is a notoriously conservative fighter who picks his shots, clinches and rides out decision wins because of his questionable chin. Styles make fights. You can't lose to a defensive fighter and blame the fighter. This is the same ****ty logic that people use to claim Mayweather "runs" from fights. That's such a casual take I dislike even entertaining it.

Like I said, I’m not saying I agree. I think Wlad was in great shape for the Fury fight, but he performed abjectly and I’m convinced he would have done better in a rematch. Nothing controversial about that opinion. And not sure what you’re getting at with your AJ comparison - I wasn’t even criticising how Fury fought, I was criticising Klitschko. But if it helps you, yes I believe AJ’s rematch performance against Ruiz was a shaky and rather timid one nothing like his usual demeanour, as he still had the mental scars from the first fight.

I also don’t think it’s accurate to say that AJ faced a better, fresher version of Wlad. But why do you act as if it’s inconceivable to believe Wlad had an off night against Fury, which he didn’t get a chance to avenge? Is boxing history not littered with examples of great fighters having off nights, only to perform better in future fights? Is it ridiculous to believe that physically it was the same Klitschko in the AJ fight, but mentally it was a more dialled on because his career was on the line? It’s not ridiculous is it.

And you act as if Wlad was off for a year chilling at home drinking beer. He was in training camp constantly preparing for a repeatedly postponed Fury rematch that never happened, and then delayed his return against AJ more while waiting for confirmation that the WBA belt would be on the line. My point about Fury hiding his doping stands.

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I much, MUCH prefer watching heavyweights too but its massively dissapointing how few times any of them fight and how few any seem to be willing to engage with other top talent. This is why I have a strong feeling at least half of the top 10 dont belong in it. I consider the most exciting/talented guys in the division to Joshua/Fury/Wilder/Hrgovic/Joyce/Dubois (yes, still)/Yoka/Usyk. That's a ton of stellar talent...and yet barely any of them have actually fought each other. Thats pretty dire. Compare this to Welter and guys like Spence whose tuneups would be talked about as ATG accomplishments if they were being performed by the current crop.

And yes, I lay this squarely at the feet of British boxing and our willingness to coddle top talent. People claim its the Mayweather effect but Mayweather's resume is insane. He had his seminal fight with De LaHoya when he was 29.

Agreed, but its not just the HW division, its all of boxing.

The tiny guys only fight each other because its the only way they can make any money or get exposure.

[Laligalaliga]

Where did I complain about the fight exactly? It’s a mandatory, I have no complaints

I just don’t feel Pulev is a measuring stick for a supposed top level fighter at this point in his career.

I think most would agree.


Also it’s funny that you say Joshua is the only one trying to clean out a division when he’s never beat any long reigning champions or credible champions for their belts. Fury is the only one that took belts from guys considered around the top of the division.

Fury is the one that has proven he is willing to fight top fighters, where as Joshua takes belt off the likes of Charles Martin. Joshua best win is a Fury leftover, never forget.

That’s why Fury is a two time ring magazine champion. they don’t give them belts out to anybody like alphabet titles, you win them by beating top level fighters in big fights. Joshua has never even had a sniff at the ring magazine belt, it’s never been on the line for any of his fights because the fights were not worth it.

Beating a long reigning champ is not an indication of trying to clear out the division, its you ability and willingness to defend and unify your titles. As far as I am concerned, only AJ has done that. Neither wilder nor fury has been in a unification match before.
This is a fact no one can argue.

[Laligalaliga]

Hey, at least Deontay Wilder can say he was cheated out of the WBC title vs. the lineal champion, who was banned for abusing steriods ; not KO by KFC-Ruiz who desecrates his body by ravenously consuming countless gallons of concentrated-sugars and tons of pig-lard during and after training camps.

If A.J stinks vs. Kubrat Pulev, it wont matter ; America is not interested in Joshua vs. Fury anyways.

Lol..... You are just making baby excuses for a guy that was saved from bleeding to death by bellend.
Pathetic

[Laligalaliga]

I much, MUCH prefer watching heavyweights too but its massively dissapointing how few times any of them fight and how few any seem to be willing to engage with other top talent. This is why I have a strong feeling at least half of the top 10 dont belong in it. I consider the most exciting/talented guys in the division to Joshua/Fury/Wilder/Hrgovic/Joyce/Dubois (yes, still)/Yoka/Usyk. That's a ton of stellar talent...and yet barely any of them have actually fought each other. Thats pretty dire. Compare this to Welter and guys like Spence whose tuneups would be talked about as ATG accomplishments if they were being performed by the current crop.

And yes, I lay this squarely at the feet of British boxing and our willingness to coddle top talent. People claim its the Mayweather effect but Mayweather's resume is insane. He had his seminal fight with De LaHoya when he was 29.

Americans are crying now because they don't have any HW world champ, neither do they have any top contender so they do all they can to discredit the HW.
Who cares about all these midget and baby weight classes?

[Laligalaliga]

This is what I mean, the lengths some of you Matchroom casuals will go to rewrite reality and common logical sense. NO fighter coming off a loss and over a year of inactivity will be considered a better version of the one holding titles and fresh of a near decade long win streak. Utterly insane stuff.

By this logic, was the second fight between Joshua and Ruiz an "aberration"?? Since he fought extremely negatively? How does this pass for Fury and not for AJ? Yes, Fury's size and awkwardness threw Klistchko off. Same way it throws everyone off. Thats not in anyway indicative of an unearned win. Wlad is a notoriously conservative fighter who picks his shots, clinches and rides out decision wins because of his questionable chin. Styles make fights. You can't lose to a defensive fighter and blame the fighter. This is the same ****ty logic that people use to claim Mayweather "runs" from fights. That's such a casual take I dislike even entertaining it.

Wlad was in and other training camps as fury keeps postponing the rematch.
In other words, AJ fought a more prepared wlad than fury.