Comments Thread For: UFC Hall Of Famer Michael Bisping Lands Lead Role For Boxing Film 'The Journeyman'

[PRINCEKOOL]

That’s not true at all because in virtually every one of the movies you mentioned, the journeyman gets a shot at the big time and overcomes huge obstacles. I’m sorry to burst your bubble, but that just doesn’t happen. Maybe 1 out of 1000 times it happens. That’s why they’re underdogs. Journeymen aren’t supposed to win and most of the time they don’t. So don’t spew nonsense like that.

I’ll agree with you, a lot of middle of the road athletes more than likely hold other jobs on top of their sports, but a lot of sports movies in general don’t depict that. A lot of sports movies depict athletes overcoming 1 in a million odds all the time and that creates a false sense of “anyone can do it.” The sad reality is, most of the time that’s not the case. Miracles don’t always happen.

And no. Don’t say that other sports have the same training conditions. Boxers put their life on the line every time they step in the ring. Sparring or in a real boxing event. By far boxing is the most dangerous sport. More deaths happen in boxing than any other sport. Golfers don’t have to worry about that. Tennis players don’t have to worry about that. Baseball players don’t have to worry about that. Hell even in mma I would say is safer than boxing because they have more avenues to win than just headshots. Submissions and what not. Boxing in general is much darker than other sports and much more brutal.

Maybe I didn’t explain where I was coming from in my first post well enough.

If you had been around track and field athletics, swimmers, gymnast or cyclists 'You would understand that there mentality is entirely different from your average gym goer' I am talking about people who participate in these sports from a young age, through the 20's and even through their 30's and on wards 'Some of them don't really stop'.

Most of the people who participate in those sports know the reality of them sports 'And it is not sad, because primarily they don't pursue such sports for materialistic gain' True Olympic athletes are a entirely different machine from normal everyday people 'In terms of mentality'.

B Morph boxing is a violent sport 'I honestly don't think it makes the sport any harder than some of the other sports I have just mentioned. Boxers can turn up out of condition and still win' Such a state of being would not happen in swimming, cycling or track and field athletics 'There are some things boxers get away with' etc.

All of the movies I have mentioned to you apart from Rocky Balboa, where real 'I don't think you have paid attention, those movies depicted are real stories'.

Yes they are rare stories, because greatness is rare 'I know this, I am not affected by the culture of today's society 'I know that greatness is sacred'.

Note: I understand what you are trying to say, about the brutality of boxing 'The price that fighters have to pay whether they win or lose' it is not quite the same price as in other sports. But I believe that is just the nature of violence, that is the nature of highly dangerous sports 'Sometimes in this sports or even working professions, because of these dangers they are paid in various ways beyond materialistic gain'.

[b Murphington]

If you had been around track and field athletics, swimmers, gymnast or cyclists 'You would understand that there mentality is entirely different from your average gym goer' I am talking about people who participate in these sports from a young age, through the 20's and even through their 30's and on wards 'Some of them don't really stop'.

Most of the people who participate in those sports know the reality of them sports 'And it is not sad, because primarily they don't pursue such sports for materialistic gain' True Olympic athletes are a entirely different machine from normal everyday people 'In terms of mentality'.

B Morph boxing is a violent sport 'I honestly don't think it makes the sport any harder than some of the other sports I have just mentioned. Boxers can turn up out of condition and still win' Such a state of being would not happen in swimming, cycling or track and field athletics 'There are some things boxers get away with' etc.

All of the movies I have mentioned to you apart from Rocky Balboa, where real 'I don't think you have paid attention, those movies depicted are real stories'.

Yes they are rare stories, because greatness is rare 'I know this, I am not affected by the culture of today's society 'I know that greatness is sacred'.

Note: I understand what you are trying to say, about the brutality of boxing 'The price that fighters have to pay whether they win or lose' it is not quite the same price as in other sports. But I believe that is just the nature of violence, that is the nature of highly dangerous sports 'Sometimes in this sports or even working professions, because of these dangers they are paid in various ways beyond materialistic gain'.

I understand that movies such as “Cinderella Man” and “Raging Bull” were based on true stories. I was speaking on the fact that those examples are extremely rare and not of the norm.

I also understand that most athletes are not well paid and they have a different mentality and they very well love what they do regardless of status.

I’m more so speaking about how society sees athletics, how athletics are depicted in film, and how this could be different. I hope it truly depicts athletics where you don’t always get the big shot you might want.

In a lot of these cases, yes. These athletes do love and have a passion for their respected sport and definitely do have a different mentality beyond monetary gain. I would still say it’s “sad” because of how much they put into it, vs how much they are compensated for their work. A lot of them work harder than you and I ever will, and they still hold jobs outside of their sport.

And I could also say that a lot of these “semi pro” or “journeymen” athletes do or once did have dreams of making it to the top 1% of their sports and realistically, most of them will never get there no matter how much heart, or how hard they work for it. A lot of them might still have the goal of getting that big break. A lot of them might have a better work ethic than their 1% counterparts, but they have nothing to show for it. One could say that is “sad,” but that is sports.

But speaking beyond just sports in general, I would argue that boxers must endure more.

I don’t follow every sport, but I would imagine there have been cases where an athlete did not show up in top condition, or cut corners in training and still ended up winning. The statement you used of 'There are some things boxers get away with' can be said in other sports in one way or another.

[NearHypnos]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
So, an ex-UFC guy... playing lead role in a boxing movie. And the movie industry wonders why boxing fans are long since fed up with Hollywood's interpretation of the sport. SMH



Oh, so that's the deal, eh... be happy it's a real boxer. OK, Tommy Gunn... gotcha. LOL

Not exactly. You’re being salty. It’s more of a “Don’t be such a hater.”

You’re taking it too personal. If a real *fighter* got the role, hell yeah. Cool. If Tom Hardy got the role? Hell yeah. Cool.

But crying like a little b itch because they got a real kickboxer to play a thai boxer instead of hiring a real thai boxer is ridiculous.

[PunchyPotorff]

Quote:
Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff
So, an ex-UFC guy... playing lead role in a boxing movie. And the movie industry wonders why boxing fans are long since fed up with Hollywood's interpretation of the sport. SMH

A warrior is a warrior. He’s experienced real lows and the highest high. He’s also pretty charismatic. Don’t be salty. As a fan of both sports, nothing would make me happier than seeing a true fighter get this role. Whether a boxer got an mma role or mma a boxing one. We have a REAL fighter playing a role. Be glad.

Quote: Oh, so that's the deal, eh... be happy it's a real boxer. OK, Tommy Gunn... gotcha. LOL

Not exactly. You’re being salty. It’s more of a “Don’t be such a hater.”
You’re taking it too personal. If a real *fighter* got the role, hell yeah. Cool. If Tom Hardy got the role? Hell yeah. Cool.
But crying like a little b itch because they got a real kickboxer to play a thai boxer instead of hiring a real thai boxer is ridiculous.

LOL!!! You're just trolling now, bubba. LOL!!!!!!!!!!

[Fire4231]

Oh dear, someone is once again whoring themselves with lipstick smeared all over her face and on unsteady legs looking a state all because a bum got what was coming to him.

Put the bottle and the pipe down. Take off those stilettos, and run yourself a bath. I bet it's been months since you washed? Go on, relax and keep out of trouble you old slag.

Can’t even read this feminine ****. Beat it date site Sidknee.

[Sid-Knee]

Can’t even read this feminine ****. Beat it date site Sidknee.

Ah, if it isn't colonel f3ckface doing his usual rounds. Nice to see you, son. Hope your bath was relaxing.

People who are so sad as to go round like a fanatical nutjob with no life spewing lies all the time are actually the kind of saddo's that end up on dating sites. Funny thing is, even though the world is filled with freaks, they still get turned down all the time for being far too creepy.

Grab yourself a book if you can read and pour yourself a glass of wine (If you're old enough to drink) and sit back. If your own company isn't to your liking, i hear cats can be a viable companion. Just make sure you feed it and don't hate it as much as you hate yourself.

Ta ta for now.

[Fire4231]

Ah, if it isn't colonel f3ckface doing his usual rounds. Nice to see you, son. Hope your bath was relaxing.

People who are so sad as to go round like a fanatical nutjob with no life spewing lies all the time are actually the kind of saddo's that end up on dating sites. Funny thing is, even though the world is filled with freaks, they still get turned down all the time for being far too creepy.

Grab yourself a book if you can read and pour yourself a glass of wine (If you're old enough to drink) and sit back. If your own company isn't to your liking, i hear cats can be a viable companion. Just make sure you feed it and don't hate it as much as you hate yourself.

Ta ta for now.

This dude is Hannibal crazy... someone needs to check his closet for people skins.

Just don’t send the guy who checks Fury’s gloves. That would be a pointless endeavor.

[Sid-Knee]

This dude is Hannibal crazy... someone needs to check his closet for people skins.

Just don’t send the guy who checks Fury’s gloves. That would be a pointless endeavor.

Be careful, otherwise i may have you for dinner.

[Citizen Koba]

Wtf... if your record is 4-96 you don’t need to be advising anyone on a boxing movie. You need to be getting advise on driving Ubers.

I don't think you're getting the role of a professional journeymen. Just ain't that simple... lotta times they could probably beat their guy, but that ain't what they're there for and would cost 'em their living if they did it more than once or twice.

They ain't suppossed to win, man, they're brought in to give a bit of a test and make the up and comer work a bit but not to to make em look bad or take so much damage themselves that they can't do it again next week... the BBBoC rules mean that you gotta break for a coupla months if you get KTFO so a journeyman literally loses his earnings for a few months if he gets stopped (or at least that's the way it's meant to work).

Nice article here from Buncey about Kristian Laight, world record journeyman 12(0) - 279(5) - 9:

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/216597

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/kristian-laight-retires-boxing-journeyman-steve-bunce-column-a8520441.html

Coupla nice videos about professional journeymen giving their stories and discussing the role they play in the sport





Honestly if you're making a film about the life of a journeyman boxer, that's exactly who you need to hire as a technical advisor.

[Fire4231]

So what happened the four times that he won?