Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Teofimo Lopez's Win Over Loma, Canelo, More

[pesticid]

"No pressure fighter’s style has ever aged well. They all slip in their late 20s or early 30s" - How about Manny Pacquiao????????????????????????

[Shadoww702]

LMAO! That's why I disagree with Bread, when it comes to Loma vs. Stevenson! It's a perfect match for Loma to resurrect his career! Plus it could happen relatively quick! Beat the Berchelt vs. Valdez winner, and it's on and poppin'! He could have Tank or Stevenson to choose from! Lose to the Berchelt vs. Valdez winner, or Tank, or Stevenson, and you're not a HOFer! Dare to be great!

I'm down for a round robin with all three and the winner of Berchelt/Valdez

[real raw]

Not overly impressed.

I wasn't overly impressed with Lopez's win. For whatever reason, Loma didn't even try to mount an offensive in the first six rounds. I really didn't see anything Lopez did to impose his will that would make Loma implement the strategy that he did. Loma was basically on his bike from the opening round by choice. When Loma did start to fight in the 7th, he landed clean effective head shots that snapped Lopez's head back. To Lopez's credit, he fought hard in the 12th and looked close to stopping Loma. I don't know if Lopez could have fought that hard for the whole fight, but the fact is he was allowed to basically coast for the first 6, so he should have had some energy left. I don't know if the Loma would have won if he tried a different strategy, but no fighter can afford to give away the first 6 rounds of a championship fight. I see it more as Loma gave away the fight as opposed to Lopez won the fight. Bottom line is Lopez is the new camp.

[johnbook]

"No pressure fighter’s style has ever aged well. They all slip in their late 20s or early 30s" - How about Manny Pacquiao????????????????????????

You got him there. He's overrated.

[IAMTHAT]

1-5, 12 Teo
7-11 Loma
6 even

If loma could fight like he did in rounds 7-11 in round 4 he wins the rematch

[CauliflowerEars]

The only way we can know how breadman feels about the Lopez vs Loma fight is by changing the question a bit.
So how about "breadman, who do you think would win a rematch?"

From what I gathered, with the amount of content that Breadman dropped on the Lomachenko fight, it very much sounds to me like he believes Lopez would win the rematch.
At one point he says that Loma could even possibly retire...
... "think Loma is a 32 year old pressure fighter with over 400 fights, amateur, world series of boxing and professional boxing. He’s fighting at his ceiling weight and these young guns are not easy to deal with." "He just ran into a young, sharp, big, strong, hard punching kid and he couldn’t engage early because he could’ve been clipped" " I wouldn’t be surprised if Loma retired. He looked BURNED out at the end." - Breadman

It sounds like Bread thinks this was Loma's best shot to beat Lopez, and I'm inclined to agree. It's why I didn't want this fight delayed any further. I said several times that Father Time was not on Loma's side and Teo was still improving.
I also said in a previous post that I think we may have witnessed Lomachenko get old overnight. Credit him for staying at 135, but we saw bigger guys take more of a toll on him. Loma's peak is most likely over and he truly did look burned out even in the 11th round. Whether or not he can win titles again at 130 is yet to be seen. It's super interesting to see what comes next...

[Kiowhatta]

I have been thinking lately about the best pressure fighters of all time.
Definitely Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson, JCC, Tua, GGG, and Jeff Fenech top my list, and I know that pressure fighters can also be called 'swarmers/in fighters' - they almost always have an entertaining style which is why Frazier v Ali (I & III) Gatti v Ward and Corrales v Castillo are remembered as all-time great fights.
I think Breadman is right about these fighters clocking up mileage (with Foreman perhaps an exception) compared to boxers, defensive fighters, as they usually have to have incredible conditioning and typically end up in wars.

[pesticid]

You got him there. He's overrated.

Oh there are more pressure fighters we could list that didn't fade when they got to their late twenties and early thirties. Some of them actually got better.

Carl Froch, Joe Calzaghe, Glen Johnson, George Foreman, Holyfield, Winky Wright, Artur Beterbiev, Povetkin, Usyk is in his early 30's and he fights just like Lomachenko, and has more knockouts

[pesticid]

I have been thinking lately about the best pressure fighters of all time.
Definitely Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson, JCC, Tua, GGG, and Jeff Fenech top my list, and I know that pressure fighters can also be called 'swarmers/in fighters' - they almost always have an entertaining style which is why Frazier v Ali (I & III) Gatti v Ward and Corrales v Castillo are remembered as all-time great fights.
I think Breadman is right about these fighters clocking up mileage (with Foreman perhaps an exception) compared to boxers, defensive fighters, as they usually have to have incredible conditioning and typically end up in wars.

Nice post but I don't think Foreman's the only exception. Here is a list of pressure fighters that have gotten better in their late twenties and early thirties: Manny Pacquiao, Carl Froch, Joe Calzaghe, Glen Johnson, Holyfield, Winky Wright, Artur Beterbiev, Povetkin, Usyk (he fights just like Lomachenko and has more koes so he too is a pressure fighter)

[johnbook]

Oh there are more pressure fighters we could list that didn't fade when they got to their late twenties and early thirties. Some of them actually got better.

Carl Froch, Joe Calzaghe, Glen Johnson, George Foreman, Holyfield, Winky Wright, Artur Beterbiev, Povetkin, Usyk is in his early 30's and he fights just like Lomachenko, and has more knockouts

Well I meant Breadman.