Loma/Lopez: If you ignore FACTS given to you, you're a coward.

[kidbazooka]

I don't care that Lopez makes you feel good for talking himself into a big fight.

I don't care that your 'eye test' gets a shot he doesn't really deserve.

I also don't care that you enjoy Lopez's heart.

We need to focus on FACTS of the matter.

FACT: Lopez is a basket case that is not emotionally sound.

FACT: Lomachenko's resume destroys Lopez's.

FACT: Nagatani showed us that Lopez lacks fundamentals and an ability to stop right hands AND his power might just be overrated when you can see the punches coming.

FACT: His knockout of Commey was similar to Sergio/Williams 2. Two guys throw at the same time, one doesn't see it coming and gets caught. But Williams was eating right hands the entire fight before that. (Sound familiar?)

FACT: Lopez has a puncher's chance and that is all he has.


Now, as a fan, if you want to say "you know, I understand. Loma is likely going to dominate this kid. But I'm rooting for him anyway". Great. I respect that. I cheer for underdogs too.

If you want to say " I respect Lopez for at least taking the risk that Crawford refuses to", great. I respect that too.

But when you come at me with "he's a champ doe!" as a reason he stands a chance, and I tell you that Wilder was a champ too and got knocked spark out, and you don't say, "you know, good point" - instead it's "yeah he lost, so what doe! BLOCKED!"

Come on man. I'm hitting you with facts. Set your emotions aside. FACTS. I know you love the guy. You can still love the guy. But let's be realistic here.

Your guy is an emotional wreck. He's talking to convince himself. We saw it with Ortiz against Floyd. It's the same thing.

Did you see him talking about his dad? His dad never moved, never nodded, never anything. It's not right between them. Dad is putting pressure on this guy because Dad was upset with Loma's team and triggered this. He's fighting Dad's battle. The titles are just a secondary.

He hasn't proven anything yet. Maybe he will with a lucky shot.

But UNTIL then, you need to accept the strong possibility based on the facts that this guy is made to quit in the ring. That's all.

And if that happens, he is very likely to retire, because his Dad won't forgive him, his ego won't let him forget and it'll be another Naseem Hamed situation. And that would be a shame because he does appear to be a solid prospect, and he SHOULD have fought someone at his level first - like a Ryan Garcia or otherwise, which would have been just as exciting and a very good test for him without overwhelming him.

Why you sound so mad tho?

I think Loma beats Lopez because he is waaaay to green that’s why I can’t give Loma props until he faces a legit great fighter who is in there prime and not a 37 yr old little guy moving up Rigo or a 23 yr old newbie Lopez.

I think Loma boxes to a UD win against Lopez.

But stop getting so mad everyone is not gonna agree with you this is th real world.

[edgarg]

I don't care that Lopez makes you feel good for talking himself into a big fight.

I don't care that your 'eye test' gets a shot he doesn't really deserve.

I also don't care that you enjoy Lopez's heart.

We need to focus on FACTS of the matter.

FACT: Lopez is a basket case that is not emotionally sound.

FACT: Lomachenko's resume destroys Lopez's.

FACT: Nagatani showed us that Lopez lacks fundamentals and an ability to stop right hands AND his power might just be overrated when you can see the punches coming.

FACT: His knockout of Commey was similar to Sergio/Williams 2. Two guys throw at the same time, one doesn't see it coming and gets caught. But Williams was eating right hands the entire fight before that. (Sound familiar?)

FACT: Lopez has a puncher's chance and that is all he has.


Now, as a fan, if you want to say "you know, I understand. Loma is likely going to dominate this kid. But I'm rooting for him anyway". Great. I respect that. I cheer for underdogs too.

If you want to say " I respect Lopez for at least taking the risk that Crawford refuses to", great. I respect that too.

But when you come at me with "he's a champ doe!" as a reason he stands a chance, and I tell you that Wilder was a champ too and got knocked spark out, and you don't say, "you know, good point" - instead it's "yeah he lost, so what doe! BLOCKED!"

Come on man. I'm hitting you with facts. Set your emotions aside. FACTS. I know you love the guy. You can still love the guy. But let's be realistic here.

Your guy is an emotional wreck. He's talking to convince himself. We saw it with Ortiz against Floyd. It's the same thing.

Did you see him talking about his dad? His dad never moved, never nodded, never anything. It's not right between them. Dad is putting pressure on this guy because Dad was upset with Loma's team and triggered this. He's fighting Dad's battle. The titles are just a secondary.

He hasn't proven anything yet. Maybe he will with a lucky shot.

But UNTIL then, you need to accept the strong possibility based on the facts that this guy is made to quit in the ring. That's all.

And if that happens, he is very likely to retire, because his Dad won't forgive him, his ego won't let him forget and it'll be another Naseem Hamed situation. And that would be a shame because he does appear to be a solid prospect, and he SHOULD have fought someone at his level first - like a Ryan Garcia or otherwise, which would have been just as exciting and a very good test for him without overwhelming him.

You make some very good points, and could be right, but the kid is very young, and pressured by his father, not quite grown up yet, for independence. But one thing I disagree with...

I believe you misjudge Hamed, perhaps because you haven't considered what was behind his retirement. I followed his whole career. As a featherweight in the modern era he had many disadvantages, he was small, 5'4" ,short arms 64" reach, a ferocious 1 punch KO power, KO-ing all but 5 of his 37 opponents, the best featherweight England ever had. His loss to Barrera was not a consideration in retiring. He fought one more time, like an afterthought, a year later, the EU champ Manuel Calvo, then 30-1. winning about every round.

It was he who made boxing fans consider the lighter weights, and obtain the million dollar purses. I recall someone writing that he sold out arenas before even an opponent was picked. Before the Barrera fight I remember that Manny Stewart said he wasn't really training, but fooling around, at Bing Crosby's infamous house, where all the Kennedys used to have their "parties", and half wreck the place.

When he fought Barrera he's been thinking of retiring already for 2-3 years. He noticeably slacked off training. After every fight he had long recuperation times because his hands were basically pinned together, shattered bones surgery, etc.

And he was already the richest boxer in England years before Barrera. When he fought him he must have been worth well over 50 mill pounds, say 70-80 mill dollars.

My opinion is that, at his peak, although Barrera was trained to a hair, as if he had a grudge against him, Hamed would have got to him like he did with Kevin Kelley, that famous fight that lasted 4 rds. with 6 KDs, evenly divided, the first 2 against Hamed. I still watch it sometimes..

[kidbazooka]

You misjudge Hamed, perhaps because you haven't considered what was behind his retirement. As a featherweight in the modern era he had many disadvantages, his was small, 5'4" ,short arms 64" reach, a ferocious 1 punch KO power, KO-ing all but 5 of his 37 oponents, the best featherweight England ever had. His loss to Barrera was not a consideration in retiring. He fought onethen more time, like an afterthought, a year later the EU champ Manuel Calvo 30-1. winning about every round.

It was he who made boxing fans consider the lighter weights, and obtain the million dollar purses. I recall someone writing that he sold out arenas before even an opponent was picked. Before the Barrera fight I remember that Manny Stewart said he wasn't really training, but fooling around, at Bing Crosby's infamous house, where all the Kennedys used to have their "parties, and half wreck the place.

When he fought Barrera he's been thinking of retiring already for 2-3 years. He noticeably slacked off training. After every fight he had long recuperation times because his hands were basically pinned together, shattered bones surgery, etc.

And he was already the richest boxer in England years before Barrera. When he fought him he must have been worth well over 50 mill pounds, say 70-80 mill dollars.

My opinion is that, at his peak, although Barrera was trained to a hair, as if he had a grudge against him, Hamed would have got to him like he did with Kevin Kelley, that famous fight that lasted 4 rds. with 6 KDs, evenly divided, the first 2 against Hamed. I still watch it sometimes..

I can see your a big hamed fan but that’s blinding your better judgement especially when you compare Kelly to Barrera lol.

Barrera is a true all time great Hamed had never faced anyone like MAB so when the time came all his flaws were exposed guys like Barrera, Morales and Marquez were all wrong for a guy like Hamed who relied on reflex and power. He was a beating waiting to happen and it happened with Barrera and it always would have been that way.

We can all make excuses Duran was on coke and food binging when he said No Mas, Chavez Sr was also coked out when Whitaker beat him, Barrera was aging when Manny beat him, wilder had a heavy as costume when he lost to Fury etc.

Hamed was very flawed that’s a fact and when he finally met a true great fighter he was exposed those are the facts no need to use excuses it’s been 20 yrs.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Why you sound so mad tho?

I think Loma beats Lopez because he is waaaay to green that’s why I can’t give Loma props until he faces a legit great fighter who is in there prime and not a 37 yr old little guy moving up Rigo or a 23 yr old newbie Lopez.

I think Loma boxes to a UD win against Lopez.

But stop getting so mad everyone is not gonna agree with you this is th real world.

Here's the thing. Im frankly tired of people rushing and overrating these 'eye test' fighters. We all know that after the fight, those same 'fans' will desert him and call him a bum.

I want people to have an honest, realistic stance. Loma is HIGHLY likely to make Lopez quit. Lopez has a puncher's chance. Those are reasonable, fair statements and worth respect. Not "LOPEZ WILL DOMINATE LOMA!" with absolutely no evidence to back it up.

Because of that, Loma won't get credit.

[kidbazooka]

Here's the thing. Im frankly tired of people rushing and overrating these 'eye test' fighters. We all know that after the fight, those same 'fans' will desert him and call him a bum.

I want people to have an honest, realistic stance. Loma is HIGHLY likely to make Lopez quit. Lopez has a puncher's chance. Those are reasonable, fair statements and worth respect. Not "LOPEZ WILL DOMINATE LOMA!" with absolutely no evidence to back it up.

Because of that, Loma won't get credit.

If anyone is getting dominated it’s Lopez but it’s ok when Loma beats him you can just rub it in there faces right.

[Combat Talk Radio]

If anyone is getting dominated it’s Lopez but it’s ok when Loma beats him you can just rub it in there faces right.

I don't want to rub it in faces. I want people to recognize when these networks and promoters lie and overhype these fighters and not fall for the okie-doke. Like Romero "Young Manny Pacquiao" Duno.

[edgarg]

I can see your a big hamed fan but that’s blinding your better judgement especially when you compare Kelly to Barrera lol.

Barrera is a true all time great Hamed had never faced anyone like MAB so when the time came all his flaws were exposed guys like Barrera, Morales and Marquez were all wrong for a guy like Hamed who relied on reflex and power. He was a beating waiting to happen and it happened with Barrera and it always would have been that way.

We can all make excuses Duran was on coke and food binging when he said No Mas, Chavez Sr was also coked out when Whitaker beat him, Barrera was aging when Manny beat him, wilder had a heavy as costume when he lost to Fury etc.

Hamed was very flawed that’s a fact and when he finally met a true great fighter he was exposed those are the facts no need to use excuses it’s been 20 yrs.

Those flaws you mention, he ALWAYS had. You may have noticed that he fought very listlessly as if he was only going through the motions-which he was. It still was only 116-112.

You make a few other errors. I was not using "judgement", but FACTS. Nor "excuses". What the hell...? I don't know the guy; never benefited from him, he was an entertainer. I was not a fan. I have never been a "fan" of anyone -except Napoleon Bonaparte, since age 10, when I began to grow up. I followed his career because he was very entertaining, huge swelled head, very ungainly and unorthodox style but that 1 punch KO, it was a matter of waiting to see how it came about. ENTERTAINMENT doesn't equate FAN... Kelley was his first foray overseas, and was a many time champ with over 45 fights with only one loss. He was a big name too, and was into commentating. It was Hamed dipping his toe in the water. And because it was him, his big ego wouldn't allow him to fight anyone but a former big time champ like Kelley.

Yo say he was a beating waiting to happen..is laughable. Everyone is at some stage, and you don't consider what I told you, which are KNOWN FACTS. It reminds me of the present aspirant to the Presidency, who is so befuddled that he could say " I don't want to hear truths I want to hear facts"... The 5-6 listeners must be still scratching their heads over it.
I don't mean that you're befuddled. Just that you are ignoring the facts, which I'm sure, are verifiable.

We all have our opinions, often differing No matter..

Oh yes, Duran wasn't making any excuse He WAS binging on food and etc. like a pig. Yet he went 9 rounds. On the scale of greats he is higher than Leonard by a good bit.

AND...Barrera was was just 27, ONE MONTH older than Hamed. He fought Pacquiao just 2 years later, and went on for another EIGHT years, during which he won the World 130 lb title and defended it 5 times. This was just ONE fight after losing to Pacquiao. Some aging .....I must say...!!!

[kidbazooka]

Those flaws you mention, he ALWAYS had. You may have noticed that he fought very listlessly as if he was only going through the motions-which he was.

You make a few other errors. I was not using "judgement", but FACTS. Nor "excuses". What the hell...? I don't know the guy; never benefited from him, he was an entertainer. I was not a fan. I have never been a "fan" of anyone -except Napoleon Bonaparte, since age 10, when I began to grow up. I followed his career because he was very entertaining, huge swelled head, very ungainly and unorthodox style but that 1 punch KO, it was a matter of waiting to see how it came about. ENTERTAINMENT doesn't equate FAN... Kelley was his first foray overseas, and was a many time champ with over 45 fights with only one loss. He was a big name too, and was into commentating. It was Hamed dipping his toe in the water. And because it was him, his big ego wouldn't allow him to fight anyone but a former big time champ like Kelley.

Yo say he was a beating waiting to happen..is laughable. Everyone is at some stage, and you don't consider what I told you, which are KNOWN FACTS. It reminds me of the present aspirant to the Presidency, who is so befuddled that he could say " I don't want to hear truths I want to hear facts"... The 5-6 listeners must be still scratching their heads over it.
I don't mean that you're befuddled. Just that you are ignoring the facts, which I'm sure, are verifiable.

We all have our opinions, often differing No matter..

Oh yes, Duran wasn't making any excuse He WAS binging on food and etc. like a pig. Yet he went 9 rounds. On the scale of greats he is higher than Leonard by a good bit.

AND...Barrera was NOT "AGING" he was just 27, ONE MONTH older than Hamed, also 27.
FACTS...FACTS...FACTS. Not imagination, and pseudo psychology. I'm not trying to pick a quarrel, I'll walk away if that occurs. Just don't exaggerate so much. Make sure of your FACTS.

Same here no biggie on my end.

Regardless if they are facts or not all fighters go through stuff.

For example bet you didn’t know that Barrera was also talking retirement at the time, he was upset because after being very hyped early in his career ppl began to disrespect him after he Junior Jones losses they called him washed and and a hype job he was ready to walk away from the sport before he got offered th big hamed fight.

So hamed wasn’t the only one but by using that as an excuse regardless if it’s fact or not your taking away from Barreras win plain n simple.

And I was reffering to ppl saying Barrera was washed after the manny fight not hamed fight.

This is boxing the majority of the fighters will come out with reasons why they performed bad after the fight rarely do they go in at 100%

[edgarg]

Same here no biggie on my end.

Regardless if they are facts or not all fighters go through stuff.

For example bet you didn’t know that Barrera was also talking retirement at the time, he was upset because after being very hyped early in his career ppl began to disrespect him after he Junior Jones losses they called him washed and and a hype job he was ready to walk away from the sport before he got offered th big hamed fight.

So hamed wasn’t the only one but by using that as an excuse regardless if it’s fact or not your taking away from Barreras win plain n simple.

And I was reffering to ppl saying Barrera was washed after the manny fight not hamed fight.

This is boxing the majority of the fighters will come out with reasons why they performed bad after the fight rarely do they go in at 100%

Again, you make some good points, with which I agree. If you look above, I've just added a couple of things via Edit, which may cover some of your points. He boxed another 8 solid years with titles, showing the Pacquiao loss didn't effect him at all. The 130 lb title was won from Morales, which would have given him a huge boost rather than otherwise. And that was just his second fight after the Pacquiao loss, so I can't feel that he had and SERIOUS thoughts of retiring, I'd say mostly because he'd lost the fight, pique, and sullenness. Again, just speculating. I never pay any attention to what "people are saying". They usually know less than you do.

About Barrera thinking retirement, I didn't know, but, consider, he was always a kind of sorehead-like Marquez and he had that hatred of Morales, which was REAL. Mexicans have a very proud, easily offended streak, like Spaniards. I mention Barrera and Marquez in this vein, maybe because they both had other careers waiting for them, professional careers, gentlemanly, etc. I' don't know, it just now popped into my head but it could have a bearing on the matter.

[el_mas_chingon]

Another fact you left out is Loma has lost before and that was to a journeyman in Salido. Want to know another cool fact, I was at the Salido Loma fight and witnessed that L live! Here’s a pic I took with Salido at the weigh-ins.


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