Kevin Iole on Alvarez and ODLH

[boliodogs]

These aren’t volume punchers. They are counter punchers, like Floyd, looking for mistakes. You expect every boxer to be like Figueroa Jr?

GGG and Dervy both average throwing over 800 punches a fight. Good hard punches.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I don’t expect it!! That’s why
it would be refreshing and exciting to see a fight develop in a way that you didn’t see coming. I’ve followed Canelo since the beginning, I know what he is, and what he does well.

If you’ve followed Canelo since the beginning then you’d know he has changed styles dramatically. Since GGG 2 he’s now more comfortable walking guys down or staying in the pocket with the high guard. A Floyd trait. He is also loose with a low guard like Charlos with shoulders high. Charlos are also counter punchers. Point is, what is there not to like about Canelo. He does what most elites are still trying to achieve. But Canelo haters cry scorecards or criticize opponents. You can do that every single fighter if we wanted to, so the difference is who you’ve fought and how you performed. Canelo hard key gets benefit of doubt from detractors which is rather silly

[Blond Beast]

Thing is you might find someone with that mindset but once they get countered with those heavy thudding shots all of a sudden they start throwing less.

Some guys you can do that but with others they just won’t let you.

Your totally right. I’m hard pressed to imagine how good a fighter would have to be to overcome Canelo, or do it early enough that he’d have to change things up or really step up the volume. Kovalev seemed scared to death of him all night and rightly so, it was over in a blink. Counter punches hurt the most and they lower the opponents output. But there’s also the SRR, SRL, Haglers that have existed. If ggg can have two close fights with Nelo imagine what they could do? SRL had stroke and he could come at a guy and really pour it on. Canelo couldn’t out style him. Clean counters are great but if your only throwing 40 punches backing up, is that enough to beat a SRL? I’d just love to see him in a fight where his best so far isn’t enough is all. And yes I know it would probably take an all time great. I think he’s kept improving which is amazing. But he’s got a draw and a close win with ggg for perspective.

[Thuglife Nelo]

GGG and Dervy both average throwing over 800 punches a fight. Good hard punches.

Lol. Throwing and landing with types of shots matter much? GGG could throw 10 jabs and miss and you’d say “that work rate doe!”

[Thuglife Nelo]

Your totally right. I’m hard pressed to imagine how good a fighter would have to be to overcome Canelo, or do it early enough that he’d have to change things up or really step up the volume. Kovalev seemed scared to death of him all night and rightly so, it was over in a blink. Counter punches hurt the most and they lower the opponents output. But there’s also the SRR, SRL, Haglers that have existed. If ggg can have two close fights with Nelo imagine what they could do? SRL had stroke and he could come at a guy and really pour it on. Canelo couldn’t out style him. Clean counters are great but if your only throwing 40 punches backing up, is that enough to beat a SRL? I’d just love to see him in a fight where his best so far isn’t enough is all. And yes I know it would probably take an all time great. I think he’s kept improving which is amazing. But he’s got a draw and a close win with ggg for perspective.

Thing is with Kovalev that was the best Canelo we’ve seen since 154. Meaning, at 154, he wasn’t as big as late 20’s Canelo. I think Canelo’s worst performance was with Liam Smith. Just too drained and his shots didn’t do much. He even broke his hand in that fight. I think he wore Everlast MX too so he was throwing with harder intentions.

Canelo in the Fielding and Kovalev fights look filled. With the Kovalev weigh in, Canelo looked to have dipped about 5 lbs of water max, and I don’t think he’ll ever do 160 again. It would be ****** of him to do so. Doesn’t mean he can’t, but it means his diet would have to be stricter. At this post career he should just be MAX at 168-175. He looks good at the weigh ins, and his opponents are the ones actually looking weight deprived, as they should be.

In other words, when Canelo fought Kovalev he was basically fighting at optimal level, last weeks of sparring, before weight scale maintenance, fight weeks. It’s amazing how weight draining unfolds the reality of our sport. Benavidez would be faster without having to cut so much water but he doesn’t want to compete at higher classes. If Benavidez wanted to eat like Chavez he’d basically be like a Dorticos. Could he compete there? Who knows.

But Canelo is FAST even at 175, at least the same speed as 168. Compared to Bivol speed that would be an interesting matchup. Can Canelo to 12 like Pascal did? Who knows... lots of good styles. Hopefully if Bivol becomes unified then maybe Canelo will that the fight for 2 belts, regardless of less fan pull because it looks good on paper.

Tbh, I don’t think Canelo is worried about Beterbiev. I’d say it’s like a Bradley Provodnikov stylee. Canelo has to be on his best defense.

[Blond Beast]

If you’ve followed Canelo since the beginning then you’d know he has changed styles dramatically. Since GGG 2 he’s now more comfortable walking guys down or staying in the pocket with the high guard. A Floyd trait. He is also loose with a low guard like Charlos with shoulders high. Charlos are also counter punchers. Point is, what is there not to like about Canelo. He does what most elites are still trying to achieve. But Canelo haters cry scorecards or criticize opponents. You can do that every single fighter if we wanted to, so the difference is who you’ve fought and how you performed. Canelo hard key gets benefit of doubt from detractors which is rather silly

Canelo is the Pope. I think he’s done nothing but keep improving which one of his most impressive traits. He used to be a bit heavy footed, and he would step back and reset after throwing combos. But now his footwork is much improved, and like you said his in the pocket work is amazing. Im so impressed with his head movement and how he picks off punches with his high guard. He’s calm and collected in there. Like I just said in another post, I just wish I could see him against a SRR, SRL, Hagler. Those would be tough fights. What odds would you put on those? Would 40 punches a round cut it? Maybe it would? But all I’m saying is I hope it wouldn’t and we’d get to see an even better Canelo. Heck I’m Canadian and I think he’d beat Beterbiev. What do you think of that fight? I’m no Canelo hater. I wouldn’t want my favourite fighter ( Morales btw ) or any fighter to get a win or lose I didn’t think they deserved. I picked Canelo to mop Kovalev. I’m a huge fan. Like most people I think he wins easier vs GGG in a third fight and I don’t need to see it. But it’s not like the first two fights weren’t close though. I just want to see him in a brutal fight and push harder than he ever had to and win to cement his legacy even more. I’m not a fan boy that I want to see him do the least to win. I want to see him pushed to his absolute limit. For a fighter that is still improving I don’t think we have seen it. It will take one hell of an opponent. May never happen.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Canelo is the Pope. I think he’s done nothing but keep improving which one of his most impressive traits. He used to be a bit heavy footed, and he would step back and reset after throwing combos. But now his footwork is much improved, and like you said his in the pocket work is amazing. Im so impressed with his head movement and how he picks off punches with his high guard. He’s calm and collected in there. Like I just said in another post, I just wish I could see him against a SRR, SRL, Hagler. Those would be tough fights. What odds would you put on those? Would 40 punches a round cut it? Maybe it would? But all I’m saying is I hope it wouldn’t and we’d get to see an even better Canelo. Heck I’m Canadian and I think he’d beat Beterbiev. What do you think of that fight? I’m no Canelo hater. I wouldn’t want my favourite fighter ( Morales btw ) or any fighter to get a win or lose I didn’t think they deserved. I picked Canelo to mop Kovalev. I’m a huge fan. Like most people I think he wins easier vs GGG in a third fight and I don’t need to see it. But it’s not like the first two fights weren’t close though. I just want to see him in a brutal fight and push harder than he ever had to and win to cement his legacy even more. I’m not a fan boy that I want to see him do the least to win. I want to see him pushed to his absolute limit. For a fighter that is still improving I don’t think we have seen it. It will take one hell of an opponent. May never happen.

Tbh with you there are different mindsets with PROS for style. I think Canelo is just having more fun as he normally would in sparring. Which unfortunately means just being more of a showman and taking risks. I like Fury because it’s perceived he’s doing wonderful stuff but that just sparring moves, and is the reason why he’s done a lot of mistakes in the ring and clipped, again, risk taking. I like Josh Kelly tbh. I hope he continues that style, but if we recall in the Olympics Kelly was more responsible to secure points.

That’s why I don’t think much of showmen. Those are just sparring traits, really loose, in the pro setting.

I think the ATG sparring showmen was Hamed. But when you’re in with a real one things won’t play out the same

[Blond Beast]

Tbh with you there are different mindsets with PROS for style. I think Canelo is just having more fun as he normally would in sparring. Which unfortunately means just being more of a showman and taking risks. I like Fury because it’s perceived he’s doing wonderful stuff but that just sparring moves, and is the reason why he’s done a lot of mistakes in the ring and clipped, again, risk taking. I like Josh Kelly tbh. I hope he continues that style, but if we recall in the Olympics Kelly was more responsible to secure points.

That’s why I don’t think much of showmen. Those are just sparring traits, really loose, in the pro setting.

I think the ATG sparring showmen was Hamed. But when you’re in with a real one things won’t play out the same

Just watched some Josh Kelly highlights. Not much precedent for the hands down waving like a blade of grass in the wind defence to get you to the tippy top though. But that’s why its interesting I guess. 26yrs old has 11 fights, going the distance lately, has a MD. Does he have the talent to really try to be a top guy or does he need to be a showman to stay relevant? It’s fine if that’s the case, get yours. He’s not on my radar. If he hes that good I’d like to see him do the things good fighters do and that’s not eff around. But it’s also prize fighting and he can do it his way. But it’s hard to pay him much mind. Lots of local boxing stars in the UK.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Just watched some Josh Kelly highlights. Not much precedent for the hands down waving like a blade of grass in the wind defence to get you to the tippy top though. But that’s why its interesting I guess. 26yrs old has 11 fights, going the distance lately, has a MD. Does he have the talent to really try to be a top guy or does he need to be a showman to stay relevant? It’s fine if that’s the case, get yours. He’s not on my radar. If he hes that good I’d like to see him do the things good fighters do and that’s not eff around. But it’s also prize fighting and he can do it his way. But it’s hard to pay him much mind. Lots of local boxing stars in the UK.

I’m not saying Kelly is all showmen, but sometimes crazy entertaining styles or non entertaining styles can play against you. How many Draws does Lara have?

[R_Walken]

the Nerve and balls of the Company that Was w
giving Canelo a 1/3 of a Billion Dollars to actually want some sort of final say in who he fights On their Platform

Dazn signed GGg thinking they had that assurance when they signed Canelo. Which would give DAZn The ability to be the platform that would broadcast Nelo / GGg which would be one if not the biggest fight That could be made at the time and would give Dazn the opportunity to get Hardcore / Casual / Non Boxing fans to become aware of DAZn and possibly become Subscribers while Dazn was in its infancy & trying to crack into the US Market

2 years since they’ve launched , Canelo has used all his leverage and done everything in his power not to fight GGg a third time , basically sabotaging the Company that cuts his cheque best chance at getting Awareness / Subscribers and chance of being successful in the US market when it started

Even if eventually the trilogy happens Canelos actions have Basically killed almost all potential buzz for The fight , Bith have basically disappeared from the public eye fighting on DAZn hurting both of their Brand awareness. Canelo has yet to choose a Opponet who can make fight a must watch event that generates Subscribers outside of his fanbase & GGg will probably be pushing 40 and will have fought opponents No one knows or cares about giving hardcore / casual / strictly GGg fans no incentive to sign up for DAZn to watch him fight or build momentum for a third fight

Canelo has the stones and feeling of entitlement to think his employers who’s he’s f.ucking over should be happy and give the thumbs up and hand over 35 mil for
a fight that even most hardcore boxing fans wouldn’t be interested in , watching Canelo face a 3rd tier No hoper With no fans so he can get a meaningless Vacant 168 Strap

It’s funny Canelos mad because he thinks that GB used him (their only asset that’s kept the company in business for years ) To secure a separate deal with DAZn so maybe they dont have to solely rely on Canelo to keep the lights on. What the f.uck was he expecting when he decided to stay with GB. That GB wasn’t going To use the only Piece of leverage the Company has, to try and benefit the entire Company so they don’t have to rely on just him

The lawsuit isn’t surprising Just add it to the long list of times Canelos acted like a spoiled entitled baby when things don’t go his way