Why do some members rank Tyson Fury above Manny Pacquiao?

[lokkebassen123]

I mean in ATG lists. There was a thread created a couple of days ago regarding who peopled ranked higher ATG. Many people went withFury. Like wtf? Most of them were brits I think. So a question to the british NSB members. Why do you guys rate Fury above Pacquiao?

There is simply no comparison between the 2. Manny Pacquiao is the greatest boxer of his generation.

[Nash out]

I mean in ATG lists. There was a thread created a couple of days ago regarding who peopled ranked higher ATG. Many people went withFury. Like wtf? Most of them were brits I think. So a question to the british NSB members. Why do you guys rate Fury above Pacquiao?

There is simply no comparison between the 2. Manny Pacquiao is the greatest boxer of his generation.

Fury is a more skilled fighter. He is harder to beat, and he is in my opinion the current p4p #1. If he goes through most of the other big names and top prospects before he retires, he has a strong case of being the best HW of all time.

Pac has had a great career, but some things really count against him. Lost easily to Mayweather and only threatened at all in R4 and R6, could arguably have 4 losses to him name vs Marquez, lost to Jeff Horn, yes it was debatable, but it was very close, look how Crawford and TT dealed with Horn? And TT is only a prospect.

The Thurman win was a major plus, but let's not act like Pac is this unbeatable fighter because he isn;t and never was. He's fast, hits pretty hard, full of energy and a proper handful, but Fury IS more skilled and harder to beat.

[MUNG]

fury is good but pac is a legend, no contest, come back in 5 yrs for an update

[Get em up]

Fury is a more skilled fighter. He is harder to beat, and he is in my opinion the current p4p #1. If he goes through most of the other big names and top prospects before he retires, he has a strong case of being the best HW of all time.

Pac has had a great career, but some things really count against him. Lost easily to Mayweather and only threatened at all in R4 and R6, could arguably have 4 losses to him name vs Marquez, lost to Jeff Horn, yes it was debatable, but it was very close, look how Crawford and TT dealed with Horn? And TT is only a prospect.

The Thurman win was a major plus, but let's not act like Pac is this unbeatable fighter because he isn;t and never was. He's fast, hits pretty hard, full of energy and a proper handful, but Fury IS more skilled and harder to beat.

I still dont get how to rate a heavyweight in the P4P ranks. If Tyson Fury was a 6 foot super welterweight would he have the same affect on people? Take any heavyweight for that matter that's been considered P4P and you can pretty much take the attributes that make them great and scale them down to thg he smaller classes and it would be more evenly matched in alot of cases. Would Mike Tyson been a wrecking ball at 175 pounds?

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Greatness in boxing is hard to prove and mainly a matter of opinion.Track and field, weight lifting, swimming races and such can be measured in numbers and times it take to run or swim a particular distance. There is no way to measure boxing greatness except by observation and opinion. So if someone knows the record of Pac and Fury and has seen them both fight and they rate Fury higher that is their opinion right or wrong.

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I still dont get how to rate a heavyweight in the P4P ranks. If Tyson Fury was a 6 foot super welterweight would he have the same affect on people? Take any heavyweight for that matter that's been considered P4P and you can pretty much take the attributes that make them great and scale them down to thg he smaller classes and it would be more evenly matched in alot of cases. Would Mike Tyson been a wrecking ball at 175 pounds?

Personally I only use pfp for boxers below heavyweight. When they get to the unlimited heavyweight class I rate them on how good a heavyweight they are no matter what they weigh. Sometimes the huge heavyweights are not the best because they are slower, with less stamina, a poor chin and a lack of agility and they don't hit as hard as a smaller faster man who has better punching form. If you are going to rate heavyweights pfp then the lighter heavyweight gets a higher rating than a heavier heavyweight if they are equally good. I don't rate heavyweights pfp. except for how good they are for a heavyweight. If I thought Fury was a better heavyweight than Pac was a welterweight then Fury wins but I like Pac better pfp.

[FannonOG]

They're anti Wilder racists.

[Boxxymcboxface]

Because they are Tyson fury fans who are biased

[ELPacman]

They DKSAB.

[Nash out]

I still dont get how to rate a heavyweight in the P4P ranks. If Tyson Fury was a 6 foot super welterweight would he have the same affect on people? Take any heavyweight for that matter that's been considered P4P and you can pretty much take the attributes that make them great and scale them down to thg he smaller classes and it would be more evenly matched in alot of cases. Would Mike Tyson been a wrecking ball at 175 pounds?

You're viewing things from a very biased perspective. What makes fighters great? Being blessed with gifts like speed, and agility are very high on the list. Tyson Fury has those at 6 ft 9, it's freakish how he moves. What else? Shot selection, boxing skills. CHECK, CHECK. Power - Check. physical strength, composure, boxing brain, defence CHECK X4.

Tyson Fury has it all in spades. What do these smaller guys have in skillset that he doesn't have? He isn't beating people because he is bigger. He's beating them because he is better.

Size doesn't make someone better. Someone 8 ft could come along, it doesn't mean he's beating Tyson Fury. So many HW's always say that they prefer fighting the tall guys anyway. There are advantages both ways.

People put way to much stock on height. Mike Tyson was very good because he was small and stock, he wasn;t carrying excess weight so he could throw punches very fast with great technique, and with his muscles he had everything needed to generate power.

I think if Mike was the same, but 6 ft 9, he would have been worse. It wouldn't have suited his fighting style and his gifts. If Mike was 175 yes I believe he would have been a wrecking ball.