List your top 10 P4P based on talent and nothing else

[deathofaclown]

Wasn't it Wilder who demanded the immediate rematch ?

Demanded is a bit of a stretch.

He had a rematch clause, which is pretty standard. He said he’ll exercise the clause and has since disappeared with no real word on fighting Fury.

Also that rematch clause is only valid until the end of the year. It was meant to be done by August 31st but COVID pushed it back.

Wilder is just going to wait it out until the clause is invalid and then not fight. Looks better than him publicly saying he doesn’t want it.

It wouldn’t even surprise me if Wilder retires.

[BodyBagz]

Demanded is a bit of a stretch.

He had a rematch clause, which is pretty standard. He said he’ll exercise the clause and has since disappeared with no real word on fighting Fury.

Also that rematch clause is only valid until the end of the year. It was meant to be done by August 31st but COVID pushed it back.

Wilder is just going to wait it out until the clause is invalid and then not fight. Looks better than him publicly saying he doesn’t want it.

It wouldn’t even surprise me if Wilder retires.

Why not let the fighters dictate what happens. Not saying someone has to be a Wilder fan but lets give HIM the chance to reject the rematch clause he elected to enforce.

This lameassed virus has every sport going bonkers on how to proceed.

[BodyBagz]

To add....some states are forcing visitor to be quarantined for up to 2 weeks. No one wants to spend their vacation in quarantine.

[edgarg]

Would you be able to get over the shock and disappointment of them having to remove yours first. Of course you could always console yourself by sucking on the beer cans...or doing something else...... comparable.

[edgarg]

Pound for pound is a load of bollocks, but Fury is certainly one of the most skilled guys in the game.

Name me another boxer in any division who can switch hit as flawlessly as Fury?

You can't.

Well, I'm not trying to, and that was not the heading question. No doubt Fury is very good, but I've seen better., but not anyone of that size who can move like him. I've never seen him fight southpaw for more than a few seconds, as part of his strategy, but what matter...?

Unlikely as it seems, in the days of lumbering big men, Carnera 6' 6 1/2" was very light on his feet and fast. His problem was no boxing head, and a simple intelligence, leading him to being taken HUGE advantage of by his disgusting "team" and their collaborators. But other behemoth then were slow and clumsy.

So far, Fury's made his reputation from beating a 41 year old, well past his best, Klitschko, which I doubt he could have done with a, say 35 year old K. Also Wilder doesn't know how to box, and Fury does. BIG advantage. It was foolish for boxing fans to think that because Fury preferred to move around and not punch his weight, that a 6' 9" 260 lb trained boxer couldn't punch ...if he wanted to.

[KingHippo]

No Usyk!? He beat Beterbiev on skill alone.

And Porter beat Usyk, so that must make him a God, right? Talent and skill are 2 diffferent things. Talent is a combination of skill and natural attributes, and Beterbiev has both. Usyk is all skill.

[KingHippo]

So far, Fury's made his reputation from beating a 41 year old, well past his best, Klitschko, which I doubt he could have done with a, say 35 year old K. Also Wilder doesn't know how to box, and Fury does. BIG advantage. It was foolish for boxing fans to think that because Fury preferred to move around and not punch his weight, that a 6' 9" 260 lb trained boxer couldn't punch ...if he wanted to.

There's nothing a prime Klitschko could've done different. I don't know if I remember correctly, but Klitschko only gave up reach about 3 times in his career. Never learn how to fight in close quarters besides using his size and wrestling tactics. Upward puncher no bend at the waste minimum head movement. All coming from being complacent due to his size. Fury was just too big mobile and twitchy for the man. Not to mention that Klitschko was a very young 41 year old in boxing years due to the little damage he suffered since his first harrowing defeats.

[Rusty Tromboni]

And Porter beat Usyk, so that must make him a God, right? Talent and skill are 2 diffferent things. Talent is a combination of skill and natural attributes, and Beterbiev has both. Usyk is all skill.

Except that the Usyk-Beterbiev match is indicative of where they stand as fighters.


Speaking of fighters... I can tell you are not one. Skill IS a talent. Technical apptitude is a very, very important talent actually.

Why, generations after Willie Pep, have we only seen a small handful of fighters match his level? Why have only Lomachenko exceeded it?

If skill isn't a talent, why hasn't everyone who has gone professional since Pep replicated his skill?


Because it's a talent.

[Curt Henning]

dumb thread....the mythical "just off talent"....cept you dont know just how talented a guy really is until he faces someone almost as equally as talented

its great that golovkin is a killer against curtis stevens....but what happens when he faces B and A level fighters? same with andrade? ....it takes more than just "talent"..whatever that is you are referencing......i mean...define talent....phsyical talents? the ability to adapt? .....

im sorry but whom youve displayed your "talents" against matters

[KingHippo]

Speaking of fighters... I can tell you are not one. Skill IS a talent. Technical apptitude is a very, very important talent actually.

Why, generations after Willie Pep, have we only seen a small handful of fighters match his level? Why have only Lomachenko exceeded it?

If skill isn't a talent, why hasn't everyone who has gone professional since Pep replicated his skill?


Because it's a talent.

I usually don't argue with people who use personal attacks and I suggest you learn how to debate like someone with a fully developed brain.

With that being said, skill comes with practice, talent is innate. A lot of fighters are definitely skilled, but have no special talent in any specific area. Someone like Anthony Joshua comes to mind. Very polished fighter, came from a great school, and applied practice since young.

On the other hand, you have people like Deontay Wilder or Murat Gassiev. Not highly skilled, but highly talented. Think Murat Gassiev went pro 5 years after starting. That's talent.

Skill is not talent. Pep was the definition of skilled AND talented. He had naturally great reflexes that he refined with practice. Talent is not something you can get from practice. Talented singer, artists, athletes are born, and then refined. Anyone can be skilled if they have the bare minimum physically and spend time on practice.