Comments Thread For: Hearn: If Wilder Doesn't Take Fury Rematch - He Should Retire

[Kannabis Kid]

Erm, you said Wilder made half a million less than AJ in 2019. I was simply proving that he didn't. The time period that Forbes uses to formulate their lists is irrelevant, 2019 is from January to December, and AJ earned more. Why? Because he earns more per fight. Fact. Which is what actually counts when you talk about what a fighter earns...unless you're a Wilder fangirl that's desperately looking for a win of course, and you go by a list that doesn't compare earnings per fight

I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Wilder will earn more than AJ for their respective upcoming fights, seeing as nobody has even made an estimated potential earnings yet. And let's have it right, without Fury, Wilder would still be struggling to make $5m per fight But, again, it's all irrelevant. AJ has made more in 23 fights than Wilder has in his 44. So, who's the biggest earner of the two (rhetorical question)? Lol

Now please, be a good wench and go and make AJ that chicken dinner

Started in 19 and was listed in 2020 12 months end of story the rest is just AJ fangirl **** it's all out there go show me some receipts from those Jaguar and Under Armour deals. It takes 2 to make money there is a reason why Fury made as much as he did as well you have to fight someone with a pulse to make money AJ is not going to make that against Pulev. Wilder didn't fight Fury in 2019 so how is it that he made that extra 18 million because him and Fury both were guaranteed 28 million for the rematch plus more the live gate did well and they also got a PPV even split so yeah dude I dunno what you are trying to say.

At the end of the day they all make money it's in the same range too you are just trying to get the upper hand and don't want to admit it because initially you said Wilder was an idiot for not taking the deal well he made barely less than AJ so you can't say **** about no deal because they are pretty even in terms of income and Wilder has no endorsements. Just another Brit holding onto to some hatred for Wilder because he wouldnt sign with DAZN and be obligated to do as Hearn says.

[Squared.Circle]

Started in 19 and was listed in 2020 12 months end of story the rest is just AJ fangirl **** it's all out there go show me some receipts from those Jaguar and Under Armour deals. It takes 2 to make money there is a reason why Fury made as much as he did as well you have to fight someone with a pulse to make money AJ is not going to make that against Pulev. Wilder didn't fight Fury in 2019 so how is it that he made that extra 18 million because him and Fury both were guaranteed 28 million for the rematch plus more the live gate did well and they also got a PPV even split so yeah dude I dunno what you are trying to say.

At the end of the day they all make money it's in the same range too you are just trying to get the upper hand and don't want to admit it because initially you said Wilder was an idiot for not taking the deal well he made barely less than AJ so you can't say **** about no deal because they are pretty even in terms of income and Wilder has no endorsements. Just another Brit holding onto to some hatred for Wilder because he wouldnt sign with DAZN and be obligated to do as Hearn says.

Yet you used the Forbes listing as proof that Wilder made half a million less in 2019? Make your mind up. He either earned half a million less in 2019, or he didn't lol we both know which one it is.

Your fangirl ways really do override all logic, don't they? AJ has consistently earned more money per fight. Fact. End of story lol it can't be argued. AJ has earned more in his career than Wilder. Fact. End of story lol it can't be argued. In 2019, AJ earned more money than Wilder (contrary to your claim). Fact. It can't be argued lol end of story. Spin it however you want, the figures speak for themselves.

vs. Whyte: 3m
vs. Martin: 8m
vs. Molina: 13m
vs. Klitschko: 25m
vs. Takam: 15m
vs. Parker: 15m
vs. Povetkin: 20m
vs. Ruiz 1: 32m
vs. Ruiz 2: 50m+

Breazeale is missing because I couldn't find a full total. However, the reported purse was 4.5m and PPV was around 10m (500k+ buys at 19.95).

And now Wilder for the same period (whose first PPV event was Fury, lol):

vs. Duhaupas: 1.4m
vs. Szpilka: 1.5m
vs. Arreola: 1.4m
vs. Washington: 900k
vs. Stiverne 2: 1.4m
vs. Ortiz 1: 2.1m
vs. Fury 1: 14m
vs. Breazeale: 20m
vs. Ortiz 2: 20m
vs. Fury 2: 20m

Now these are obviously just the "reported" amount that each are entitled to from the money generated for the fights (some of which come from your coveted Forbes); the known purse + venue fees + PPV (no endorsements factored in) before expenses are paid out. However, these figures aren't pulled from the same place Wilder's 10,672 excuses are (thin air). They're from industry insiders, people like Coppinger. Approximations or not, AJ tops it by a solid margin.

To answer your question, Wilder made the money he did in 2019 because...dum dum dummmmmm...he finally fought a top level opponent (it only took him 40 fights to do so ), was gifted a draw from the gods and his profile shot up. And the "guarantee of 28 million for the rematch" you speak about was solely dependent on the PPV doing a certain amount, which it didn't. So neither got 28m lol

You say it takes two to make money, yet AJ has repeatedly earned a considerable amount more than Wilder for almost every fight he's had. And apparently, AJ just fights bums and old men

The figures speak for themselves. Keep crying. I suppose you can still hold on to the "Wilder was the most googled boxer of 2018"...oh wait, no you can't, because he wasn't lol

Have you made AJ that chicken dinner yet? Or are you too busy preparing Wilder's meat and two veg?

You're done.

[Kannabis Kid]

Yet you used the Forbes listing as proof that Wilder made half a million less in 2019? Make your mind up. He either earned half a million less in 2019, or he didn't lol we both know which one it is.

Your fangirl ways really do override all logic, don't they? AJ has consistently earned more money per fight. Fact. End of story lol it can't be argued. AJ has earned more in his career than Wilder. Fact. End of story lol it can't be argued. In 2019, AJ earned more money than Wilder (contrary to your claim). Fact. It can't be argued lol end of story. Spin it however you want, the figures speak for themselves.

vs. Whyte: 3m
vs. Martin: 8m
vs. Molina: 13m
vs. Klitschko: 25m
vs. Takam: 15m
vs. Parker: 15m
vs. Povetkin: 20m
vs. Ruiz 1: 32m
vs. Ruiz 2: 50m+

Breazeale is missing because I couldn't find a full total. However, the reported purse was 4.5m and PPV was around 10m (500k+ buys at 19.95).

And now Wilder for the same period (whose first PPV event was Fury, lol):

vs. Duhaupas: 1.4m
vs. Szpilka: 1.5m
vs. Arreola: 1.4m
vs. Washington: 900k
vs. Stiverne 2: 1.4m
vs. Ortiz 1: 2.1m
vs. Fury 1: 14m
vs. Breazeale: 20m
vs. Ortiz 2: 20m
vs. Fury 2: 20m

Now these are obviously just the "reported" amount that each are entitled to from the money generated for the fights (some of which come from your coveted Forbes); the known purse + venue fees + PPV (no endorsements factored in) before expenses are paid out. However, these figures aren't pulled from the same place Wilder's 10,672 excuses are (thin air). They're from industry insiders, people like Coppinger. Approximations or not, AJ tops it by a solid margin.

To answer your question, Wilder made the money he did in 2019 because...dum dum dummmmmm...he finally fought a top level opponent (it only took him 40 fights to do so ), was gifted a draw from the gods and his profile shot up. And the "guarantee of 28 million for the rematch" you speak about was solely dependent on the PPV doing a certain amount, which it didn't. So neither got 28m lol

You say it takes two to make money, yet AJ has repeatedly earned a considerable amount more than Wilder for almost every fight he's had. And apparently, AJ just fights bums and old men

The figures speak for themselves. Keep crying. I suppose you can still hold on to the "Wilder was the most googled boxer of 2018"...oh wait, no you can't, because he wasn't lol

Have you made AJ that chicken dinner yet? Or are you too busy preparing Wilder's meat and two veg?

You're done.

Didn't read anything after you started listing AJ's purses from years back all that **** is irrelevant to what we were talking about the original issue was the DAZN deal and how AS OF NOW they making the same ***in dumbass

[Squared.Circle]

Didn't read anything after you started listing AJ's purses from years back all that **** is irrelevant to what we were talking about the original issue was the DAZN deal and how AS OF NOW they making the same ***in dumbass

Ah, the classic "I'm going to pretend I didn't read all that because I can't dispute any of it" trick

AS OF NOW, they do not earn the same. You seriously have number specific dyslexia.

AJ vs. Ruiz 1: 32m
AJ vs. Ruiz 2: 46m+ (that's the lowest estimate)

Wilder vs. Ortiz 2: 20m (probably not)
Wilder vs. Fury 2: 20m

They do not make the same money. AJ earns more per fight. Sit down.

The original point was, you jumping in claiming Wilder earned half a million less in 2019, and you were smashed on it. I then elaborated on the disparity between their career earnings. Sorry, poppet, didn't mean to hurt your feelings

Your other point of Wilder not being at a loss by turning down the DAZN offer is equally as rétarded as thinking they earn the same; he turned down $120m for three fights. It doesn't matter how you spin it, he turned it down, more than likely earned less than half of the DAZN offer for the same amount of fights and will never get that opportunity again. Money aside, he's missed out on fighting for true legacy; the first ever undisputed, four-belt heavyweight champion. Because let's face it, Fury will boss him again, for a third time. That whole "I'm gonna freeze AJ out of the division" hasn't half backfired, has it?

[LoadedWraps]

Ah, the classic "I'm going to pretend I didn't read all that because I can't dispute any of it" trick

AS OF NOW, they do not earn the same. You seriously have number specific dyslexia.

AJ vs. Ruiz 1: 32m
AJ vs. Ruiz 2: 46m+ (that's the lowest estimate)

Wilder vs. Ortiz 2: 20m (probably not)
Wilder vs. Fury 2: 20m

They do not make the same money. AJ earns more per fight. Sit down.

The original point was, you jumping in claiming Wilder earned half a million less in 2019, and you were smashed on it. I then elaborated on the disparity between their career earnings. Sorry, poppet, didn't mean to hurt your feelings

Your other point of Wilder not being at a loss by turning down the DAZN offer is equally as rétarded as thinking they earn the same; he turned down $120m for three fights. It doesn't matter how you spin it, he turned it down, more than likely earned less than half of the DAZN offer for the same amount of fights and will never get that opportunity again. Money aside, he's missed out on fighting for true legacy; the first ever undisputed, four-belt heavyweight champion. Because let's face it, Fury will boss him again, for a third time. That whole "I'm gonna freeze AJ out of the division" hasn't half backfired, has it?

Fury is the cash cow. The golden goose. The face of boxing.

[Squared.Circle]

Fury is the cash cow. The golden goose. The face of boxing.

I'll agree he's the face of boxing. I don't care what anybody says, he's simply more popular and endearing to the masses than any current boxer. It's not even up for debate. But as far as generating consistent eight-figure paydays go, AJ has that in the bag for the heavyweight division. However, after Fury beats Wilder (for a third time, important to note) and then AJ, that will definitely change.

[Kannabis Kid]

Ah, the classic "I'm going to pretend I didn't read all that because I can't dispute any of it" trick

AS OF NOW, they do not earn the same. You seriously have number specific dyslexia.

AJ vs. Ruiz 1: 32m
AJ vs. Ruiz 2: 46m+ (that's the lowest estimate)

Wilder vs. Ortiz 2: 20m (probably not)
Wilder vs. Fury 2: 20m

They do not make the same money. AJ earns more per fight. Sit down.

The original point was, you jumping in claiming Wilder earned half a million less in 2019, and you were smashed on it. I then elaborated on the disparity between their career earnings. Sorry, poppet, didn't mean to hurt your feelings

Your other point of Wilder not being at a loss by turning down the DAZN offer is equally as rétarded as thinking they earn the same; he turned down $120m for three fights. It doesn't matter how you spin it, he turned it down, more than likely earned less than half of the DAZN offer for the same amount of fights and will never get that opportunity again. Money aside, he's missed out on fighting for true legacy; the first ever undisputed, four-belt heavyweight champion. Because let's face it, Fury will boss him again, for a third time. That whole "I'm gonna freeze AJ out of the division" hasn't half backfired, has it?

Bunch of made up numbers go get me some proof not your infatuated opinion. Lol your opinion doesn't matter I said last year because that's when the numbers started but it rolled into this year (12 month span) just like AJ's and Furys did for comparison to the reports, we are going off what was posted not the numbers you made up in your fanboy UK biased mind.

By the way by the time AJ fights again he will have gone 2 years with only fighting twice against Andy Ruiz that's all I have to say.

You lack reading comprehension skills which is why I didn't read your last post because you are going off as far back as you can to try and prove your nonsense we are talking about now Wilder earns close to AJ without endorsements plain and simple and that's without signing a slave deal Catchroom USA of course Joshua was a bigger star back then it's the UK they believed Dillian Whyte and Dereck Chisora could become champions they could sell water to a well.

At the end of the day though AJ makes more but not much and that was the entire point from the beginning because you Brits are so upset that your main promoter can't control our fighters and they are doing well without him and his slave deals.

[Squared.Circle]

Bunch of made up numbers go get me some proof not your infatuated opinion. Lol your opinion doesn't matter I said last year because that's when the numbers started but it rolled into this year (12 month span) just like AJ's and Furys did for comparison to the reports, we are going off what was posted not the numbers you made up in your fanboy UK biased mind.

By the way by the time AJ fights again he will have gone 2 years with only fighting twice against Andy Ruiz that's all I have to say.

You lack reading comprehension skills which is why I didn't read your last post because you are going off as far back as you can to try and prove your nonsense we are talking about now Wilder earns close to AJ without endorsements plain and simple and that's without signing a slave deal Catchroom USA of course Joshua was a bigger star back then it's the UK they believed Dillian Whyte and Dereck Chisora could become champions they could sell water to a well.

At the end of the day though AJ makes more but not much and that was the entire point from the beginning because you Brits are so upset that your main promoter can't control our fighters and they are doing well without him and his slave deals.

My made up numbers? Awwww bless ya. Is that the best rebuttal you have?

Joshua vs. Ruiz 1, from your coveted Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkat...oxing-biz/amp/ – £25m is $32m

Joshua vs. Ruiz 2, from your coveted Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianma...taggering/amp/ – upwards of $60m

Wilder vs. Ortiz, from your coveted Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkat...will-make/amp/ – $20m

Wilder vs. Fury 2, as was already established from your coveted Forbes, $25m maximum

Your 12 month span nonsense is irrelevant, AJ earns more per fight. Fact.

You say he only fought twice against Ruiz, yet earned, according to your coveted Forbes, $80m+ as it says in your coveted Forbes, these figures do not including AJs lucrative endorsements.

So, in your mind, $12m and $25m+ isn't much more?

You talk about Whyte and Chisora, stick them in with Wilders first 39 opponents and they would have been world champions too LOL Stiverne LOL you Wildettes talk about Wilder like he hasn't fought 41 legitimate bums and average, C level fighters. Some of which were legitimate cruiserweights that were paid to move up then went back down immediately after. You Wildettes talk about Wilder like he hasn't struggled badly in the four fights he's had against above average opposition

Anyway, the point is, your coveted Forbes says AJ earns a considerable amount more per fight than Wilder. Now go back to bed and dream about impregnating your idol. You well and truly failed.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Well of course, that's because you can be a good athlete in a sport and not really understand it at an analytical level. A good example is AI vs Kobe. AI laughed at the notion of practice. Kobe studied the game and applied himself in. Jerry rice esque manner. Both can play, but one had the IQ the other never did.

I know guys that are better fighters than me but they don't really see the game the way I and other do. They can execute and follow a corners instructions but can they coach a corner if they had to? Many can't. Many can't think for themselves they just throw. Thinking ahead, the chess aspect of boxing is harder to grasp than the physical fundamentals.

So yes, a dude like Bam Bam rios can have 20 fights but still not understand why he lost the fights he did, for example.

Yes exactly. Commentators and fight experts have done this for years. Watching fights from the outside gives you more knowledge then seeing a fight through your eyes only. And like you say boxers - often aren't the smartest people. You need a boxing geek who is obssessive and watches every fight and analyzes it - to get the best analysis.

[Kannabis Kid]

My made up numbers? Awwww bless ya. Is that the best rebuttal you have?

Joshua vs. Ruiz 1, from your coveted Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkat...oxing-biz/amp/ – £25m is $32m

Joshua vs. Ruiz 2, from your coveted Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianma...taggering/amp/ – upwards of $60m

Wilder vs. Ortiz, from your coveted Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkat...will-make/amp/ – $20m

Wilder vs. Fury 2, as was already established from your coveted Forbes, $25m maximum

Your 12 month span nonsense is irrelevant, AJ earns more per fight. Fact.

You say he only fought twice against Ruiz, yet earned, according to your coveted Forbes, $80m+ as it says in your coveted Forbes, these figures do not including AJs lucrative endorsements.

So, in your mind, $12m and $25m+ isn't much more?

You talk about Whyte and Chisora, stick them in with Wilders first 39 opponents and they would have been world champions too LOL Stiverne LOL you Wildettes talk about Wilder like he hasn't fought 41 legitimate bums and average, C level fighters. Some of which were legitimate cruiserweights that were paid to move up then went back down immediately after. You Wildettes talk about Wilder like he hasn't struggled badly in the four fights he's had against above average opposition

Anyway, the point is, your coveted Forbes says AJ earns a considerable amount more per fight than Wilder. Now go back to bed and dream about impregnating your idol. You well and truly failed.

The Stiverne that went 12 with Wilder would have knocked out Chisora and Whyte in the same night not his fault he almost died against Wilder and was never the same since. Nevermind Ortiz who Whyte ducked and Chisora who has never once mentioned fighting Luis even when he was in the UK making his run none of them wanted it and they still don't none of them ever want to fight Ortiz why if he's so easy you all just can't give Wilder that win because that was a solid win anyone who knows boxing knows that you guys are just fangirls who look for any little edge oh Ortiz is old lmao he's the same age as the dude who just obliterated Dillian bunch of excuses.

Good god you are special ed where did it say anything about pounds in that Forbes article it said 20 million US stop rounding off and trying to get more ***in idiot man he was supposed to make 25 million against Miller "It stands to reason he’ll make a similar paycheck for Ruiz" never gave an exact number so you are just making it up but I'll say 20 million.

Joshua is set to make upwards of $60 (USD) million for the rematch. This is still an unconfirmed total, but there is every reason to believe these numbers are at least in the right ballpark.

Unconfirmed is the keyword Forbes listed what they cleared in a 12 month span the same Forbes you are using for these references so that is what I believe not your made up numbers trying to win an argument but you never will because the proof is there to back up my original statement you just went off on some nuthugging trip.

At this point they cleared very close numbers that is what I said from the beginning that is what I will keep on saying I already said Joshua made more than Wilder I don't get what you don't understand he was marketed much better and has a bunch of dumbass fans like you that will eat his crap if they fried it and served it with chips. But at the end of the day in recent numbers Wilder only made half a million less with no endorsements and no Deadzone deal end of story.