Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua Thinks Povetkin Could Upset The Odds in Whyte Fight

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While Whyte was refusing final eliminators. Breazeale beat Molina in a final eliminator.

Wilder also offered Whyte the shot as a voluntary and Whyte turned down the opportunities. Whyte was the one ducking. He didn’t want to get ktfo.

What does AJ trying time cherry pick the old man with 5 weeks to train have to do with this other than being a pathetic attempt at deflecting? lol

You do know that UK media acknowledged that Whyte also turned down that same AJ fight but yet he’s crying about wanting a shot at a title.

1) if he wasnt mandatory after, it isnt a final eliminator. he would be second mandatory only...
and all brezeale had to do was beat the mighty Molina.


2) Whyte didn't actually refuse Ortiz, he said he'll take ortiz as long as he's guaranteed mandatory. So whyte has to beat ortiz, but brezeale is ahead of him by beating molina? please huh? total bs.
we make this argument out of principle...
therefore you being a yank, interpret it to
'turbndeded down ortiz'

You think by continiously saying something, it makes it real?

literally Whyte: ill fight whoever as long as im mandatory.
he said he'd fight ortiz no problem within that context.


3) im using ortiz turning down $7m for aj as an example of ortiz turning down fights. whyte has also said ortiz turned down offers.

https://www.givemesport.com/1398600-...deontay-wilder

Wilder told Whyte this week: “You fight Luis Ortiz, win that and I promise you, you have Deontay Wilder.”

how fked up is this...wilder basically controlling the wbc here..

In my last two fights, I fought two former world champions, yet Wilder says that I have to fight Ortiz to be second placed mandatory,

"I offered to fight Ortiz years ago, but he didn’t want to know. He didn’t even want to know this summer and asked for silly money coming off his knockout loss to Wilder.

“He made it clear that he wouldn’t be ready for July 28, which was the date we had available. Funnily enough it didn’t stop him fighting someone else that day.

“Wilder wants me to jump through more hoops that he dictates before I can fight him, yet he fought journeyman Jason Gavern immediately before he fought for the world title.”

normally if id share this, you'd say 'no, bs' but we all know ortiz also turned down AJ for life changing money.
i dont care, 5 weeks or not....what did he get from wilder? that was life changing money you dont turn down when you're earning very little eg $500k vs wilder.


tell me, was ortiz the mandatory when he had that second fight vs wilder?
it is what it is, a pbc in house set up fight, a fix, where ortiz was paid to take a dive.
al haymon doesnt let them earn for their own benefit.

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1) if he wasnt mandatory after, it isnt a final eliminator. he would be second mandatory only...
and all brezeale had to do was beat the mighty Molina.


2) Whyte didn't actually refuse Ortiz, he said he'll take ortiz as long as he's guaranteed mandatory. So whyte has to beat ortiz, but brezeale is ahead of him by beating molina? please huh? total bs.
we make this argument out of principle...
therefore you being a yank, interpret it to
'turbndeded down ortiz'

You think by continiously saying something, it makes it real?

literally Whyte: ill fight whoever as long as im mandatory.
he said he'd fight ortiz no problem within that context.


3) im using ortiz turning down $7m for aj as an example of ortiz turning down fights. whyte has also said ortiz turned down offers.

https://www.givemesport.com/1398600-...deontay-wilder

Wilder told Whyte this week: “You fight Luis Ortiz, win that and I promise you, you have Deontay Wilder.”

how fked up is this...wilder basically controlling the wbc here..

In my last two fights, I fought two former world champions, yet Wilder says that I have to fight Ortiz to be second placed mandatory,

"I offered to fight Ortiz years ago, but he didn’t want to know. He didn’t even want to know this summer and asked for silly money coming off his knockout loss to Wilder.

“He made it clear that he wouldn’t be ready for July 28, which was the date we had available. Funnily enough it didn’t stop him fighting someone else that day.

“Wilder wants me to jump through more hoops that he dictates before I can fight him, yet he fought journeyman Jason Gavern immediately before he fought for the world title.”

normally if id share this, you'd say 'no, bs' but we all know ortiz also turned down AJ for life changing money.
i dont care, 5 weeks or not....what did he get from wilder? that was life changing money you dont turn down when you're earning very little eg $500k vs wilder.


tell me, was ortiz the mandatory when he had that second fight vs wilder?
it is what it is, a pbc in house set up fight, a fix, where ortiz was paid to take a dive.
al haymon doesnt let them earn for their own benefit.

Ortiz was a voluntary. Those are allowed in boxing. Whyte got KTFO by a 40 year old. It’s obvious why he ducked ORTIZS and wilder

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Ortiz was a voluntary. Those are allowed in boxing. Whyte got KTFO by a 40 year old. It’s obvious why he ducked ORTIZS and wilder

why was ortiz a voluntary? lmao..why was wilder taking easy options he knew he could beat or knock down..but not take risks?
povetkin is superior to ortiz on every level..far superior amateur, far superior proffessional....and whyte had no problem fighting him..
but he was afraid of 50 yr old ortiz. okay mate.

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did wilder turn down $5m and $8m for whyte?
YES
did Wilder turn down $12.5m, $15m, $20m, $100m, $120 m offers from AJ's side?
YES

did Wilder accept $2m to fight his so called 'second best HW in the world, ortiz'?
YES
did Wilder accept $5m (even less in reality) to fight an unfit out of shape, 50% Tyson Fury, again the 'second best HW in the world'
took the easier options each time for less money.

literally he was offered more money to fight whyte, than tyson fury

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why was ortiz a voluntary? lmao..why was wilder taking easy options he knew he could beat or knock down..but not take risks?
povetkin is superior to ortiz on every level..far superior amateur, far superior proffessional....and whyte had no problem fighting him..
but he was afraid of 50 yr old ortiz. okay mate.

Why was ortiz a voluntary lol because wilder is allowed to take a voluntary that's why. Povetkin the flatlined Whyte isn't superior to ortiz. Povetkin was proven to be washed up in the hunter fight and just so happen to KO Whyte because DillyAnn is a bum. So let's st overrating an old Povetkin because he KOd a bum like Whyte. Also ortiz was 38 when Whyte ducked him. Guess he wasn't old enough for DillyAnn smh

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did wilder turn down $5m and $8m for whyte?
YES
did Wilder turn down $12.5m, $15m, $20m, $100m, $120 m offers from AJ's side?
YES

did Wilder accept $2m to fight his so called 'second best HW in the world, ortiz'?
YES
did Wilder accept $5m (even less in reality) to fight an unfit out of shape, 50% Tyson Fury, again the 'second best HW in the world'
took the easier options each time for less money.

literally he was offered more money to fight whyte, than tyson fury

Whyte refused to pay wilder $7M but you claim he offered wilder $8M lol what a joke https://*************/watch?v=QUm9B8...USA&index=1468

https://*************/watch?index=14...&v=uXp0SbTV7mk

The rest of your post is information provided without context on ***** deals real and pretend that you claimed wilder turned down.

Not gonna waste time debating nonsense

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Whyte refused to pay wilder $7M but you claim he offered wilder $8M lol what a joke https://*************/watch?v=QUm9B8...USA&index=1468

https://*************/watch?index=14...&v=uXp0SbTV7mk

The rest of your post is information provided without context on ***** deals real and pretend that you claimed wilder turned down.

Not gonna waste time debating nonsense

1) the original offer of $5m was before Dazn came onto the scene. Wilder demanded $8m at that time and was mocked for it.
Later when dazn money came in, Eddie was very open about an $8m offer.
Wilder responded with "they said they can't do $8m before, now they're offering $8m, so they liars"

the context of Dazn and the difference in Wilder (and Whyte's) value later, was something Wilder didnt understand..
and it seems you don't either.

2)
The rest of your post is information provided without context on ***** deals real and pretend that you claimed wilder turned down.

actually guys like you are the ones who lie and get it wrong and then run away from a 'debate' because you can't handle facts and truth. The contexts/timing is something you just don't grasp.

here's how it went down

-eddie offered $5m for Whyte. Wilder demanded $8m.
As a consequence of these numbers being thrown around, Showtime had no option but to offer Wilder $2m for a fight with Ortiz. Without eddie hearn/whyte/aj around, Wilder would still be on $1m..but the money did increase because the offers increased from Hearn's side.

also don't forget Wilder publically kept saying ortiz was the second best HW. putting AJ at number 3. so where would Whyte fit in?
explain to me why he would take a lot less vs 'the second best HW in the world' but demand 4x as much for Whyte?


-so now Wilder's on $2m...and he gets offered $12.5m from AJ.
How does Wilder's side respond?

absolutely disgusted, 'not even worth responding to' etc.
Schaeffer went in on eddie hearn and said "it does $100m revenue"
BUT in the context, when Schaeffer said this it was in reference to the proposed offer for a big stadium fight in the UK.

AJ responded in an interview by saying "they're saying it does $100m, if they're so confident it does that, give me $50m up front and the rest is yours"

BUT context does matter, it was still based on the proposed contract for a Wembley fight. The only thing changing would be the money, with Wilder's side taking the risk.

long story short, email offer comes in. aj is interested, eddie's interested..but no contract comes.

Finkle tells espn/dan rafael 'it's when/where wilder wants (hint, no date no venue) and there's no rematch clause if aj loses, he loses, one fight deal only'

it went on for weeks with eddie openly repeatedly saying "they're refusing to even show us the contract, they want aj to publically verbally accept an offer, when a verbal agreement is legally binding in US law"

so contexts here clearly matter.
months later frank warren lies and says "i saw the contract, 2 fight deal guaranteed $80m"
completely contradicting finkle,
but they know there are idiots like you who believe anything.

why would frank warren have seen the contract?
his answer "we were going to do it with BT SPORTS FRONTING THE MONEY"
aj was contracted to sky. it's obv they were trying to land him in legal troubles..
frank warren, finkle, these type of people are known for robbing their fighters through legal loopholes.

$15m revised offer from Eddie, got accepted from Finkle.
yet they refused to sign the contract and instead said "it wasnt a real contract, it had Hearn's signature, not AJ's signature"
LOL.

then they wasted more time..and all the while they knew because of espinoza/showtime, that canelo-ggg would get announced.
as soon as it did..eddie said "ive spoken to showtime, they say we cant have 2 superfights on within 2 weeks, so you'll have to move the fight to october"

as a consequence of the weather in october, they would have to do the fight under aclosed roof stadium in Cardiff (80k capacity).
As a consequence Wilder went all out with a ready made, planned excuse

"no date no venue"

this was all planned from Wilder's side.

months later Wilder comes up with this line
"they seded they cant do da big castle up in da uk...but den dey did povetkin there so dey liars"

(context...povetkin wasnt a superfight on showtime ppv, clashing with canelo-ggg, so of course they xcould do that in September on the original date set for the wilder fight)

this just show how ****** wilder and YOU guys are. you're idiots, low class uneducated idiots with zero grasp of contexts. no logic, nothing..just 'derp derp derp'

3) if all that wasnt enough
wilder then did Tyson Fury for $5m

LMFAO so he turned down whyte and aj for a lot more, but accepted $2m for ortiz (aka second best hw in th world) and then $5m for Tyson (aka the new second best hw in th world).

how exactly would you debate this?

and then there's the $100m offer from dazn that he turned down.