Compubox

[Marchegiano]

Even that Elvis guy just recently knocked out a guy with a jab. Golovkin's jab looks hard as ****.

yup


we used to label different types of straight leads different things. Now any straight lead is a jab. A jab was never meant to do damage, but, those other straight leads that were have no name now so we just call them jabs even though the theory behind those punches, the intentions, and structure, are different. Those punches get thrown into the category with jabs and are treated like jabs statistically but you can watch with your eyes the difference between 3G really driving that fist down a mug's throat and just trying to **** their vision up.



There's a massive disconnection between the terms we use in the modern era and the actual uses of those techniques. To make up for this we have a whole slew of colloquial terms. "looping overhand" Yeah, it's real name is the Phantom Overhead. "Thumping jab" it's name be The Jolt. so on.

These power jabs are just apart of that. To be fair to Compubox, to fix this they'd need to educate the fanbase and industry alike.

More trainers know what a looping overhand or thumping jab is today than a phantom overhead or jolt. The only problem with the semantics is small and focused on things like compubox stats.

[LoadedWraps]

What exactly is considered a power punch as far as compubox is concerned? Hooks and uppercuts? Or can a power punch also be a jab that snaps a fighter's head back sharply?

Compubox is a pair of knuckleheads clicking a button when they think they see a landed punch.

Tells you all you need to know about the "reliability" of that "data".

Don't waste your time looking at compubox "stats".

[LoadedWraps]

yup


we used to label different types of straight leads different things. Now any straight lead is a jab. A jab was never meant to do damage, but, those other straight leads that were have no name now so we just call them jabs even though the theory behind those punches, the intentions, and structure, are different. Those punches get thrown into the category with jabs and are treated like jabs statistically but you can watch with your eyes the difference between 3G really driving that fist down a mug's throat and just trying to **** their vision up.



There's a massive disconnection between the terms we use in the modern era and the actual uses of those techniques. To make up for this we have a whole slew of colloquial terms. "looping overhand" Yeah, it's real name is the Phantom Overhead. "Thumping jab" it's name be The Jolt. so on.

These power jabs are just apart of that. To be fair to Compubox, to fix this they'd need to educate the fanbase and industry alike.

More trainers know what a looping overhand or thumping jab is today than a phantom overhead or jolt. The only problem with the semantics is small and focused on things like compubox stats.

You keep saying that but it isn't true, in my experience.

A jab is a jab. A lead uppercut is a lead uppercut, not a jab. In any gym I've even been in, anyway. Just because I throw a hook as a lead doesn't mean the hook is a jab.

That's hilariously dumb lol.

[YoungManRumble]

Compubox is ****** and basically only there to give the commentators a bunch of meaningless stats to pour through to try and sound smart or important. Seems like they wanted boxing to have a more statistics like other sports when boxing obviously isn't like any other sport at all. The only stats that really matter are your weight, height, reach, and your win/loss record. Not how many jabs on average you throw in the first 3 rounds against a southpaw or whatever other meaningless garbage they spew.

[Marchegiano]

You keep saying that but it isn't true, in my experience.

A jab is a jab. A lead uppercut is a lead uppercut, not a jab. In any gym I've even been in, anyway. Just because I throw a hook as a lead doesn't mean the hook is a jab.

That's hilariously dumb lol.

In what world does any hook qualify as a straight lead?

Conversely

What punches can you tell me about that are not called jabs today and are straight punches thrown with the lead hand?

What punches can you tell me about that used to have their own name, are straight lead punches, and today if thrown would be categorized as a jab?


You are right about one thing. We've been over this.

I didn't invent the Jolt, Dempsey spoke about it.

Likewise, trigger step and phantom overhead are not terms I just created bubba. Given no one uses those terms anymore you tell me what they're called when those punches are thrown.

[Marchegiano]

Let me just point out. I said the same **** in a thread before Loaded questioned the existence of the Jolt or whatever the **** he's questioning. It took Koba seconds to find Dempsey breaking down the Jolt and the nuance between it and a jab.

Loaded, I'm not saying you're a liar. Just to be clear, I believe you do/have gone to gyms, but, also, you are a lazy ****. You don't read well and you've researched nothing. Get off your ass, read what Dempsey said, and tell me what I'm missing.

[LoadedWraps]

Let me just point out. I said the same **** in a thread before Loaded questioned the existence of the Jolt or whatever the **** he's questioning. It took Koba seconds to find Dempsey breaking down the Jolt and the nuance between it and a jab.

Loaded, I'm not saying you're a liar. Just to be clear, I believe you do/have gone to gyms, but, also, you are a lazy ****. You don't read well and you've researched nothing. Get off your ass, read what Dempsey said, and tell me what I'm missing.

Well I have never argued what it was called back then.

I said then, that I just haven't heard those terms in a gym before.

People have different terms for different things in different places. I don't think one is right or the other is wrong.

I do get your really good with history, and I really have nothing to argue from that end.

Personally, I'm just a fighter. I'm not great on history, but I am really good at the fundamentals and I can pretty much show you anything you want me to if we were in person.

I think you get more worked up about this stuff than I do, lol, but like I said in that other thread, I am pretty sure we aren't talking about different things, we just have different ways of articulating what we are trying to say.

Also, whenever I've worked pads, sparred, or recieved instruction, it's in the format of "1 1 2 5 1 3", not jab, jab, straight...so yea, whether you call it a straight or a cross, stuff like that was not really relevant in the gym, again, just my experience.

[LoadedWraps]

In what world does any hook qualify as a straight lead?

Conversely

What punches can you tell me about that are not called jabs today and are straight punches thrown with the lead hand?

What punches can you tell me about that used to have their own name, are straight lead punches, and today if thrown would be categorized as a jab?


You are right about one thing. We've been over this.

I didn't invent the Jolt, Dempsey spoke about it.

Likewise, trigger step and phantom overhead are not terms I just created bubba. Given no one uses those terms anymore you tell me what they're called when those punches are thrown.

Ok, well I didn't pay attention to your use of straight, just focused on the jab aspect, sorry.

Straights do not need to be thrown with the lead hand.

[Marchegiano]

Well I have never argued what it was called back then.

I said then, that I just haven't heard those terms in a gym before.

People have different terms for different things in different places. I don't think one is right or the other is wrong.

I do get your really good with history, and I really have nothing to argue from that end.

Personally, I'm just a fighter. I'm not great on history, but I am really good at the fundamentals and I can pretty much show you anything you want me to if we were in person.

I think you get more worked up about this stuff than I do, lol, but like I said in that other thread, I am pretty sure we aren't talking about different things, we just have different ways of articulating what we are trying to say.

Also, whenever I've worked pads, sparred, or recieved instruction, it's in the format of "1 1 2 5 1 3", not jab, jab, straight...so yea, whether you call it a straight or a cross, stuff like that was not really relevant in the gym, again, just my experience.

I don't understand how you don't see yourself as case-in-point.

You've gone through a battery of training and never heard of a term that was once well known. That fits right into what I've claimed would be the case.

There were different terms that would sometimes be more useful to us than the ones we use today, you having not heard of those terms doesn't discredit or disprove them or anything I've claimed for that matter, it fits right in.

No matter what term you use to describe variations of jabs a jab itself is not a power punch and so straight leads classified as jabs or jab variants that are meant to be powerful punches are misclassified under the jab umbrella.

Which means Compubox calls what used be jolts a form of jab and since it is a jab rather than its own form of straight lead it is also not a power punch even though it is designed for KOs.

Myself having spent only my very early life, late teens and early twenties in any form of gym and most of them being MMA and/or dojos; I do not know the modern term for a Jolt. I know anytime I see exactly what Jack Dempsey described it's called a jab and given some kind of modifier to explain the power behind it...and that Compubox is going to stat it under Jabs rather than Power Punches regardless of how many trees it chops.

[LoadedWraps]

I don't understand how you don't see yourself as case-in-point.

You've gone through a battery of training and never heard of a term that was once well known. That fits right into what I've claimed would be the case.

There were different terms that would sometimes be more useful to us than the ones we use today, you having not heard of those terms doesn't discredit or disprove them or anything I've claimed for that matter, it fits right in.

No matter what term you use to describe variations of jabs a jab itself is not a power punch and so straight leads classified as jabs or jab variants that are meant to be powerful punches are misclassified under the jab umbrella.

Which means Compubox calls what used be jolts a form of jab and since it is a jab rather than its own form of straight lead it is also not a power punch even though it is designed for KOs.

Myself having spent only my very early life, late teens and early twenties in any form of gym and most of them being MMA and/or dojos; I do not know the modern term for a Jolt. I know anytime I see exactly what Jack Dempsey described it's called a jab and given some kind of modifier to explain the power behind it...and that Compubox is going to stat it under Jabs rather than Power Punches regardless of how many trees it chops.

Fair points, don't disagree.

And I agree about compubox specifically.

You're damn right I'm lazy lately with looking stuff up too, heck I haven't even seen the last few live cards. A breakdown of the Wilder/Fury fight an hour long was shared in another thread and I haven't bothered to sit through it yet. No real excuse, I'll make time to study more Dempsey one of these days.