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  • #11
    I'm waiting for a person to tell me one's resume doesn't tell the whole story

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    • #12
      Pacquiao in first thirty fights: have to fight anyone that he can get his hands on in order to not starve and resort to crime to survive poverty.

      BodyBagz the couch potato: LMAO look at Pac's resume in his first thirty fights, ATG yow!!!!!

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Thraxox View Post
        Pacquiao in first thirty fights: have to fight anyone that he can get his hands on in order to not starve and resort to crime to survive poverty.

        BodyBagz the couch potato: LMAO look at Pac's resume in his first thirty fights, ATG yow!!!!!
        Between the ''report'' and ''mq'' lies the QUOTE BUTTON, people

        WTF

        And yes, to make Pac's resume look better, compare it to mine !!!

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        • #14
          Pac is a genuine great, but a lot of his career is smoke-n-mirrors

          two issues...

          1) matchmaking (which includes the weight manipulation)
          * lower-level opponents... all those mid-level Top Rank JWW's
          * 144... dragging the little guys up, and pulling the big guys down
          * many of Pac's top wins were literally at the lowest point in their career

          Pac would not have fought them otherwise, like we saw with Mosley

          2) steroids
          * all been said before, no need to go into details

          I think that Pac is a genuine great for his performances below 135, and with Mayweather... which are really the only times we know that he was clean

          I don't believe he was using before the Diaz fight, and I honestly thought that Mayweather would blow him out

          many will burn Pac's entire career because of the steroid thing, but I still evaluate the fights that we know were real... all of the... "leap 3 divisions in 9 months, increasing speed and power, while DOUBLING his punch output"... fights, are obviously not eligible for consideration

          verdict: a genuine great, but nowhere near as high as most seem to think... based on the facts above

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          • #15
            Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
            Pac is a genuine great, but a lot of his career is smoke-n-mirrors

            two issues...

            1) matchmaking (which includes the weight manipulation)
            * lower-level opponents... all those mid-level Top Rank JWW's
            * 144... dragging the little guys up, and pulling the big guys down
            * many of Pac's top wins were literally at the lowest point in their career

            Pac would not have fought them otherwise, like we saw with Mosley

            2) steroids
            * all been said before, no need to go into details

            I think that Pac is a genuine great for his performances below 135, and with Mayweather... which are really the only times we know that he was clean

            I don't believe he was using before the Diaz fight, and I honestly thought that Mayweather would blow him out

            many will burn Pac's entire career because of the steroid thing, but I still evaluate the fights that we know were real... all of the... "leap 3 divisions in 9 months, increasing speed and power, while DOUBLING his punch output"... fights, are obviously not eligible for consideration

            verdict: a genuine great, but nowhere near as high as most seem to think... based on the facts above
            When I get to his WW portion, I don't think ''great'' will be used. Just my opinion.

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            • #16
              I must say, I'm shocked a Pac fan hasn't done a ''Pac Resume Dedication'' thread yet

              What's up with that ?

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              • #17
                Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post
                When I get to his WW portion, I don't think ''great'' will be used. Just my opinion.


                you have to evaluate his legacy as a whole

                in saying that, there are two distinct chapters in Pac's career

                I get what you're saying

                also, he definitely was clean for the Mayweather fight... we know that

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
                  you have to evaluate his legacy as a whole

                  in saying that, there are two distinct chapters in Pac's career

                  I get what you're saying

                  also, he definitely was clean for the Mayweather fight... we know that
                  Without jumping the gun or me ruining my big reveal, I kinda like Pac.

                  Fun to watch when he has 2 functioning shoulder bones

                  I tend to judge a person, in general, on how they behave in the face of adversity -

                  If you act guilty, I'm going to assume you are.
                  If you act like you have something to hide, I'm going to discredit you until you stop with the BS.

                  TBC

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post
                    I am calm Horatio

                    That's right, compare my record with Pac's to get a feel on how worthy it is

                    Just show everyone up to this point, all of the great wins Pac was in.

                    Spending time name calling me won't make his resume any better.
                    I’m not sure if this is a response to my quote but you are asking me to name his impressive wins? Gladly those that impressed me.

                    Chatsai Sataskul to win WBC flyweight

                    TKO Nedal Hussein

                    TKO Marco Antonio Barrera

                    TKO Erick Morales

                    Knocked out Hoya, Hatton, Cotto

                    And recently beat Keith Thurman.

                    I didn’t mention his wins over Marquez, Bradley, Margarito, Matthysse, Mosley, Clottey, Jorge Julio because the ones above impressed me the most.

                    That speed, power, strength is what makes Manny so great.

                    Why are you taking the time to discredit a legend that makes our beloved sport great?

                    Do you not consider boxing great?

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by boogbx View Post
                      I’m not sure if this is a response to my quote but you are asking me to name his impressive wins? Gladly those that impressed me.

                      Chatsai Sataskul to win WBC flyweight

                      TKO Nedal Hussein

                      TKO Marco Antonio Barrera

                      TKO Erick Morales

                      Knocked out Hoya, Hatton, Cotto

                      And recently beat Keith Thurman.

                      I didn’t mention his wins over Marquez, Bradley, Margarito, Matthysse, Mosley, Clottey,
                      Jorge Julio because the ones above impressed me the most.

                      That speed, power, strength is what makes Manny so great.

                      Why are you taking the time to discredit a legend that makes our beloved sport great?

                      Do you not consider boxing great?




                      I exclude those wins because of the weight manipulation, timing, steroids

                      mainly the steroids

                      even Marquez would have beaten 145lb Hoya, 145lb Cotto, and 140lb Hatton... those guys were at the lowest point in their career

                      their careers had never been at a lower point before/after Pac fought them

                      like I said earlier, Pacquiao is great for what he achieved below 135, and for performing so well against Mayweather... but he is nowhere near as great as most fans think due to the phenomenal matchmaking by Bruce Trampler and Brad Goodman, and the supplements from Ariza

                      there has always been smoke-n-mirrors in boxing

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