Comments Thread For: Ryder Confident: I Believe Canelo Struggles With Southpaws!

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British super middleweight contender John Ryder (28-5) is confident that his southpaw style could present some problems for Mexican superstar Canelo Alvarez. Ryder is one of the frontrunners to fight Canelo in September.
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Not sure if he struggles with southpaws but I'm sure it's not what he prefers. And I'm damb sure he does struggle with pure boxers. His record proves it. He got gift decisions against boxers. But with that being said, nobody wants to see canelo vs Ryder? 😄

[Thuglife Nelo]

Not sure if he struggles with southpaws but I'm sure it's not what he prefers. And I'm damb sure he does struggle with pure boxers. His record proves it. He got gift decisions against boxers. But with that being said, nobody wants to see canelo vs Ryder? ��

A 23 year old “struggling with pure boxers.” Lol.

First, there’s no such thing as a “pure” boxer. Sticking to code fundamentals and being strict with it is one thing, but then there are upper echelon elites. The only “pure boxer” Canelo ever really faced was Mayweather. “Pure” since Floyd could do almost ANYTHING in the ring. Lara and Trout, older guys than Canelo, Southpaws, but Canelo held his own with his limited high level experience at the time. Today’s Canelo is leaps different than the 23 year old Canelo. This is the case for every boxer that evolves in style. I would say a post Floyd was more impressive than the offensive PBF considering he was lighter. Put Canelo’s Ring IQ today back into his body at 23 and he would’ve done even more amazing techniques against Lara and Trout.

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He may struggle with southpaws, but sorry John. He won't struggle with you.

[Thuglife Nelo]

He may struggle with southpaws, but sorry John. He won't struggle with you.

How do you “struggle” with Southpaws? Professionals train routinely with all styles in the gym. If he sent offers to BJS, whom Fury fanboys consider Canelo’s nightmare, would he be worried? The Canelo today is not the Canelo whom fought Trout or Lara. Trout was able to tag Charlos more than he did Canelo. Do we say, “Charlos struggle with Southpaws” considering it was years later as well?

The cliche narratives get old...

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How do you “struggle” with Southpaws? Professionals train routinely with all styles in the gym. If he sent offers to BJS, whom Fury fanboys consider Canelo’s nightmare, would he be worried? The Canelo today is not the Canelo whom fought Trout or Lara. Trout was able to tag Charlos more than he did Canelo. Do we say, “Charlos struggle with Southpaws” considering it was years later as well?

The cliche narratives get old...

You'll have to ask John Ryder, that was his opinion not mine....

[Thuglife Nelo]

You'll have to ask John Ryder, that was his opinion not mine....

He must lurk the forums because it’s been said to death...and Ryder doesn’t move like Lara, Trout or the occasional Jacobs.

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He must lurk the forums because it’s been said to death...and Ryder doesn’t move like Lara, Trout or the occasional Jacobs.

Always thought it was the movement that gave him issues.

Ryder is a good fighter but if he gets this fight the moment he starts 'dancing' is when Canelo is about to stop him.

He is very neat and tidy though Ryder. Very calm, and finds spots to work with his short levers.

He will do well and then probably get knocked out. Probably put a few lumps on Canelo.

Hope he gets it anyway. He beat Smith and British boxing has a way of forgetting things like that if one guy has the media machine behind him.

Just like Calzaghe probably lost to Robin Reid. Barely a footnote in Joe' career. You just like to see people get their reward.

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Always thought it was the movement that gave him issues.

Ryder is a good fighter but if he gets this fight the moment he starts 'dancing' is when Canelo is about to stop him.

He is very neat and tidy though Ryder. Very calm, and finds spots to work with his short levers.

He will do well and then probably get knocked out. Probably put a few lumps on Canelo.

Hope he gets it anyway. He beat Smith and British boxing has a way of forgetting things like that if one guy has the media machine behind him.

Just like Calzaghe probably lost to Robin Reid. Barely a footnote in Joe' career. You just like to see people get their reward.

Great post,I think he learned from Lara & doesn't struggle against movers anymore nearly as much. No doubt nobody beats Canelo any other way than being the full package well rounded fighter with power.

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Always thought it was the movement that gave him issues.

Ryder is a good fighter but if he gets this fight the moment he starts 'dancing' is when Canelo is about to stop him.

He is very neat and tidy though Ryder. Very calm, and finds spots to work with his short levers.

He will do well and then probably get knocked out. Probably put a few lumps on Canelo.

Hope he gets it anyway. He beat Smith and British boxing has a way of forgetting things like that if one guy has the media machine behind him.

Just like Calzaghe probably lost to Robin Reid. Barely a footnote in Joe' career. You just like to see people get their reward.

That’s all subjective. In the case of Lara, there was no belt on the line, so it was a neutral circumstance. There is no rule book to say one elite has to play the other elites game. Assume Canelo was the inferior boxer at 154 vs the seasoned Lara, then from the judges point of view Lara in theory could also come to Canelo instead of one trying to close the other for 12 rounds. Then it just looks like one doesn’t want to engage. Judges also rate attempted execution, risk, by follow up shots (even if missed) vs single missed shots. This is how you evaluate skill considering judges see all styles non stop.

With Trout, that was a good challenge to Canelo since it was unification with Champs having to impress their positions. They were all close in my opinion, including Lara’s. But if that was Lara’s prime, any post Canelo would stop him imho. It takes experience at the highest level to get there. To truly impress judges you need to be a Mayweather, simply. Whom knows he can reset to the pocket and score because he is faster, lighter, and knows the defensive techniques to steer away from danger. You can’t play countering games with Floyd because Floyd could finish with the last shot.

Today’s Canelo would approach it much differently. Canelo wouldn’t wait to box and simply assure he’s in range to throw when Floyd throws..and in those case target unconventionally, not traditional head hunting or body precision. Just throw as Maidana did. Awkward shots create awkward responses. As much as I like Canelo, I don’t think any version of Canelo’s Ring IQ could beat Floyd at 152. You need to be at your comfortable weight to beat Floyd. Even Floyd knew this since he ditched 144 with Marquez. I’m speaking facts. If Floyd dared in the style of Duran at let’s say 160 then it’s be a different story. But let the Floyd fans tell you differently that Floyd “doesn’t have to,” while they also criticize GGG for not moving up. Lol