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Originally posted by The Big Dunn View PostTwo flaws with this post.
1. Floyd's resume and style stand the test of time as well. That is why he is ranked ahead of Manny in every credible list of ATG boxers, the same way Duran is ranked ahead of the men you reference in this post.
2. The reason Duran is ranked ahead of them is because he was the dominant LW, arguably the best ever, before he moved up. He wasn't a career WW like Benitez, SRL or Hearns or a career MW like Hagler. Manny was never that in any weight class he was in.
To be great you've got to be seen to go out of your way to do things for your critics as much as you possibly can and then some go above call of duty, Floyd satisfies none of this criteria. Pac s broken records time after time, doing things hes not supposed to do time after time, day in day out. I mean beating young guys like br oner, lucas is massive accomplishments now at this point, let alone beating thurman.
Floyd is famous for doing as little as he can get away with. That's not the behaviour of someone who greatness should be thrust upon.
You can't compare Floyd to pac and most people dont.Last edited by hugh grant; 07-18-2020, 08:42 AM.
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Originally posted by hugh grant View PostThere's not a man on earth who thinks Floyd s greater than pac until proven otherwise.
To be great you've got to be seen to go out of your way to do things for your critics as much as you possibly can and then some go above call of duty, Floyd satisfies none of this criteria. Pac s broken records time after time, doing things hes not supposed to do time after time, day in day out. I mean beating young guys like br oner, lucas is massive accomplishments now at this point, let alone beating thurman.
Floyd is famous for doing as little as he can get away with. That's not the behaviour of someone who greatness should be thrust upon.
You can't compare Floyd to pac and most people dont.
Floyd also beat Manny.
Again, EVERY credible ranking of ATG fighters has Floyd ahead of Manny.
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Originally posted by The Big Dunn View PostRespect Buddy. He is entitled to his opinion but he doesn't sound rational here. Or factual.
To say Manny fought everybody is hyperbole. Or did he fight Paul Williams and Zab Judah and I miss it? I also don't recall Manny not fighting people on his terms once he reached a certain level.
His point about being a multiple division champ makes sense. He speaks as if Floyd is not a multiple division champion. I think he is trying to say winning titles in 8 divisions is more impressive than winning in 5 divisions. Just say that.
When I see these comments, the people talk as if Floyd never defeated any HOF level fighters or that he wasn't an immensely talented fighter. They seem to suggest Floyd was just average and made money because of some gimmick, like a Butterbean.
Floyd spent many years as the consensus #1 or #2 P4P fighter in the world. His resume is such that he is ranked ahead of Manny in every credible poll of ATG fighters where experts are polled.
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Originally posted by The Big Dunn View PostIf beating you guys is an accomplishment, Floyd beat Canelo, who is significantly better than broner or Thurman.
Floyd also beat Manny.
Again, EVERY credible ranking of ATG fighters has Floyd ahead of Manny.
Pac beating thurman made people think Pac is candidate for goat. The difference between night and day reactions to the wins.
Nobody thinks Floyd s greater than pac, stop lying to yourself.Last edited by hugh grant; 07-19-2020, 03:52 AM.
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h**ps://www.givemesport.com/1584052-the-15-greatest-boxers-ever-have-been-ranked-by-boxing-fans
15. Marvin Hagler
"One of the greatest middleweights of all time, Mayweather wouldn't stand a chance."
14. Jack Johnson
"No one at any weight could take Johnson in his prime. His defense was an art form that no one else could master."
13. Willie Pep
"Watch a Willie Pep highlight then tell me he is not the slickest boxer of all time."
12. George Foreman
"This man dominated two eras of boxing, by the way the two best eras."
11. Roberto Duran
"Just The Greatest. He was far better than Ray Leonard, who admitted he was the hardest puncher he ever faced and that he was also the hardest boxer to hit cleanly."
Duran speaks to the press
10. Roy Jones Jr.
"I feel like everyone over looks Roy. In his prime I don't think anyone could have beaten him. So much speed and power."
9. Henry Armstrong
"No one in that history of boxing has accomplished what Hammering Henry was able to."
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
"This guy has been hated on nearly his whole career. Everyone they put in front of him, they say he would lose to, he beat."
7. Sugar Ray Leonard
"Leonard was one of the most versatile boxers the game has ever seen."
6. Joe Louis
"This man is simply the greatest, watching him fight in his prime...no-one ever stood a chance."
Joe Louis
5. Rocky Marciano
"He is the greatest of all time and he also has the greatest single punch of all time."
4. Manny Pacquiao
"Eight championship belts. Enough said."
3. Mike Tyson
"Deadly combination of speed and power to knock anyone out."
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
"Ali said he was the GOAT, that's how good he was. One of the greatest pound for pound boxers ever."
1. Muhammad Ali
"5 losses, over 50 wins... He was an iconic figure who had a substantial name for himself. Unbeatable."
Pac is just ahead in everything...
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Originally posted by pasawayako View Posth**ps://www.givemesport.com/1584052-the-15-greatest-boxers-ever-have-been-ranked-by-boxing-fans
15. Marvin Hagler
"One of the greatest middleweights of all time, Mayweather wouldn't stand a chance."
14. Jack Johnson
"No one at any weight could take Johnson in his prime. His defense was an art form that no one else could master."
13. Willie Pep
"Watch a Willie Pep highlight then tell me he is not the slickest boxer of all time."
12. George Foreman
"This man dominated two eras of boxing, by the way the two best eras."
11. Roberto Duran
"Just The Greatest. He was far better than Ray Leonard, who admitted he was the hardest puncher he ever faced and that he was also the hardest boxer to hit cleanly."
Duran speaks to the press
10. Roy Jones Jr.
"I feel like everyone over looks Roy. In his prime I don't think anyone could have beaten him. So much speed and power."
9. Henry Armstrong
"No one in that history of boxing has accomplished what Hammering Henry was able to."
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
"This guy has been hated on nearly his whole career. Everyone they put in front of him, they say he would lose to, he beat."
7. Sugar Ray Leonard
"Leonard was one of the most versatile boxers the game has ever seen."
6. Joe Louis
"This man is simply the greatest, watching him fight in his prime...no-one ever stood a chance."
Joe Louis
5. Rocky Marciano
"He is the greatest of all time and he also has the greatest single punch of all time."
4. Manny Pacquiao
"Eight championship belts. Enough said."
3. Mike Tyson
"Deadly combination of speed and power to knock anyone out."
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
"Ali said he was the GOAT, that's how good he was. One of the greatest pound for pound boxers ever."
1. Muhammad Ali
"5 losses, over 50 wins... He was an iconic figure who had a substantial name for himself. Unbeatable."
Pac is just ahead in everything...
Mike #3 tells us all what we need to know
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