What makes Lomachenko an all time great?

[bngsdad]

Loma an ATG

[soul_survivor]

So forum posters then? And the consensus appears to be that maybe he could be eventually but certainly ain't yet, I can only assume as some kinda combined assesment of his ammy and pro records. That's why I asked the question what the TS meant.

Far as I'm concerned these are questions for the future... wait til a dude's retired. Wait til everyone he fought's retired, then wait another 10 years or more... then... maybe, we might be in a postition to take a slightly objective stance on it.

I ain't got a problem saying he's an ATG amateur though, based on his accomplishments in that sport which are slightly more easily quantified. As a pro - let's wait and see. I got patience but time definitely ain't on his side.

Racism..? There's plenty of it about - and I'm sure that's an element - but I don't think you'll find appreciation for Lomachenko and his skillset is confined to the melanin deficient population, Fury either for that matter. Worth taking account that some folk are just more prone to hyperbole than others... or trolling.

That's a silly way to look at it. Wait decades after someones retired? Are you mad?

All ATGs have been known as greats in their own career time, Robinson, Ali, Louis, Leonard, Mayweather, Pacquiao et al. Lomachenko is certainly exceptional when it comes to his skillset but to be great he needs to end his career having fought and beaten the likes of Mikey and a few others around 135-147. Fighting once a year ain't gonna do that.

[Citizen Koba]

That's a silly way to look at it. Wait decades after someones retired? Are you mad?

All ATGs have been known as greats in their own career time, Robinson, Ali, Louis, Leonard, Mayweather, Pacquiao et al. Lomachenko is certainly exceptional when it comes to his skillset but to be great he needs to end his career having fought and beaten the likes of Mikey and a few others around 135-147. Fighting once a year ain't gonna do that.

Thanks, man, silly you say?

But yes, I think it's near impossible to be objective about active or recently retired fighters, and very difficult to place them in a correct historical context. I can go into it more depth if you like but I'm sensing I ain't got a particularly receptive audience.

Times are changing, man, fight frequencies are ever decreasing, the public at large is far less educated about boxing and relatively the sport is less popular than ever, whereas the greats of yesteryear always had other stars to face because of the popularity of the sport the same ain't usually true today, and whilst I agree that likely Floyd and Manny will be considered ATGs I'd argue that where on that list they appear is far from clear at this time and will remain very open until they can be placed in the context not just of those who came before them but also those who come after.

Folk are just impatient is all. Enjoy the fights, leave the historical rankings to those who got a bit of distance on it in the future.

And I never said I thought Lomachenko was an ATG by the way, I merely asked what criteria the TS was using to make that assessment or whose opinions prompted him to make the thread.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Loma tattooed, not white.

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[JakeTheBoxer]

Somebody that loses to Salido is not an "atg".

So Lennox Lewis is not an ATG either.

[Gate keeper]

Like P4P, ATG is a fantasy concept, a joke. No way to determine that someone would be successful across generations fighting the best competition. Nobody is ATG or has ever been. No such thing. It's idiotic.

All these past "ATGs" have losses to pedestrians and journeymen. In other words, they couldn't even beat bums in their own generation.

In their prime or out of it?

[Larry the boss]

He is not an all time great period, who said he was?

[Pigeons]

Lightweight will determine his all-time standing. Lopez, Haney, Garcia, and Davis. He needs to get three of those guys on his resume and then maybe snag a title at 140.

[eco1]

It is not racist. But I guess truth hurts?

what truth? Loma is the number 1 P4P until proven otherwise, live with it.

[Earl-Hickey]

He's not an ATG not even close, he's been overhyped since before he turned pro and as a pro hasn't shown anything other than he's a good world champion. In an elite sense he's nothing special and I can think of tons of past greats who would whoop his ass