Jack Johnson couldnt win today.

[kidbazooka]

That goes for them all

Dempsey, Johnson, Marciano, etc all very crude and skilless they would get smashed today.

[MartialMind]

Would a current HW transported back 100 years even know what to do against rules that were barely out of the Queensbury period? If they couldn't get the KO would they have the endurance for 20+ rounds?

[Tails]

That is obvious.

With each breakthrough the knowledge of any subject becomes refined and condensed in a way that you can teach someone something in a manner of minutes as opposed to taking an entire lifetime. Jack Johnson is a pioneer of boxing who fighters after him learned from. This goes back hundreds of years. Basically learning from others mistakes and successes. Like how what kids learn in public school in a little over a decade took humanity centuries to learn.

I personally think around the 70's is when boxing has sort of hit a plateau concerning skill. Of course there are pioneers still today but I have noticed it has more to do with particular styles. In about a decade or so I would not be surprised if we started seeing young up and comers with certain traits such as having a lead straight right hand like Mayweather.

I also would not be surprised if we saw someone come along down the line that is basically a much better version of Deontay Wilder. Regardless of what criticism people have against Wilder, he has shown a very successful style that can be vastly improved.

[Roadblock]

Would a current HW transported back 100 years even know what to do against rules that were barely out of the Queensbury period? If they couldn't get the KO would they have the endurance for 20+ rounds?

The modern guy would smash them just on skills, you dont need endurance for their 20-40 rounds lol in those days , they hardly threw a punch and just walked around, nothing like the pace and explosive power of today.

[Roadblock]

That is obvious.

With each breakthrough the knowledge of any subject becomes refined and condensed in a way that you can teach someone something in a manner of minutes as opposed to taking an entire lifetime. Jack Johnson is a pioneer of boxing who fighters after him learned from. This goes back hundreds of years. Basically learning from others mistakes and successes. Like how what kids learn in public school in a little over a decade took humanity centuries to learn.

I personally think around the 70's is when boxing has sort of hit a plateau concerning skill. Of course there are pioneers still today but I have noticed it has more to do with particular styles. In about a decade or so I would not be surprised if we started seeing young up and comers with certain traits such as having a lead straight right hand like Mayweather.

I also would not be surprised if we saw someone come along down the line that is basically a much better version of Deontay Wilder. Regardless of what criticism people have against Wilder, he has shown a very successful style that can be vastly improved.

Wilder doesnt have a style he has power and not much else.

I think youre pretty much on it with the 70s onward, that theory kinda coincides with all other sports where they have ALL showed big improvements in speed power and technique over the years, it has to plateau as flesh and bone only has so much reaction time and so much tensile strength, human physical ability is not unlimited it must have a ceiling point.

[Marchegiano]

That is obvious.

With each breakthrough the knowledge of any subject becomes refined and condensed in a way that you can teach someone something in a manner of minutes as opposed to taking an entire lifetime. Jack Johnson is a pioneer of boxing who fighters after him learned from. This goes back hundreds of years. Basically learning from others mistakes and successes. Like how what kids learn in public school in a little over a decade took humanity centuries to learn.

I personally think around the 70's is when boxing has sort of hit a plateau concerning skill. Of course there are pioneers still today but I have noticed it has more to do with particular styles. In about a decade or so I would not be surprised if we started seeing young up and comers with certain traits such as having a lead straight right hand like Mayweather.

I also would not be surprised if we saw someone come along down the line that is basically a much better version of Deontay Wilder. Regardless of what criticism people have against Wilder, he has shown a very successful style that can be vastly improved.

It's entertainment, it's very old, and it's pretty simple, it's more cyclical than evolutionary actually.

What the audience is willing to pay to watch dictates styles of fights as much as effectiveness or the rules. In fact, boxing, as in hit and don't be hit back boxing, didn't come into favor because it by in large beat the old caveman style in the ring. If you look for a period when the rockem sockem old style kept failing or failed more often than not or anything that in anyway indicates it is inferior in the ring you won't ever find that period because it does not exist. It wasn't ring dominance that gave boxing it's favor in modern times. It was economics. You get less hurt so you have less recovery time so you can fight more and make more money.

Nothing, at all, to do with who beat who or how. Everything to do with money and the public's willingness to watch.

It's okay to not see why people are interested in historical things or unimpressed with Jack's era, but, evolution isn't really what you're looking at. Time based culture is. Like any other form of entertainment.

['b']

People love getting their rose tinted glasses out.

You see casuals saying Tyson could beat Joshua, Wilder, Fury in one round or even that he could beat them TODAY.

same level of ridiculous to the crew saying Johnson or Dempsey would be champ today

These guys wouldn't beat a Usyk who was observing the cruiserweight limit, in fact they'd get stood on their heads.

True, the fact is that the sport has come a long, long way. I'm not even going to say Usyk is a super special talent - he is very well rounded - and a very good fighter and I hope he does well at HW - but can anyone honestly watch Usyk fight Gassiev for instance and then look back 50 years and watch an old HW fight and think that those old fighters had far better technique, speed, power, movement etc.?

Seen this happen all the time, some people just have rose-tinted goggles. Seen this with an old man arguing that Don Bradman was the best cricketer ever but some young guy is arguing that he'd get smoked by today's cricketers/batsmen.

[Sceptic]

These modern heavyweights could not fight 15 rounds. They can barely fight for 6.

So true..................

[Thraxox]

Johnson would not beat a LHW champion today.