So Charlo is ducking Andrade, but Crawford isn't ducking Spence?

[Combat Talk Radio]

Can someone on NSB explain how that works?

[-Kev-]

None of those guys can realistically fight eachother because those fights aren't nearly big enough for their promoters/networks to do a joint promotion.

Fights like Mayweather vs Pacquiao, or Wilder vs Fury work because they are big enough and attract a ton of international attention.

Nobody cares about Charlo vs Andrade, and relatively little people care about Spence vs Crawford. I would be surprised if Spence vs Crawford can do even 400k PPVs.

[hhh1200]

charlo offered 7-10 mil for andrade with 2nd fight in dazn package. spence told crawford in his face, why should i fight you when i can get the easy fight? in what universe is crawford ducking spence? garcia and keef offered fights and declined. maybe crawford is ducking porter b/c he doesn't want to fight due to friendship but that is mutual. anyway, as limited as porter is, crawford is going to piece him up if that fight happens.

[Thunderstruck]

Bud ducking Spence ????Are you hanging out on Hitmans porch .

[Doubledagger]

None of those guys can realistically fight eachother because those fights aren't nearly big enough for their promoters/networks to do a joint promotion.

Fights like Mayweather vs Pacquiao, or Wilder vs Fury work because they are big enough and attract a ton of international attention.

Nobody cares about Charlo vs Andrade, and relatively little people care about Spence vs Crawford. I would be surprised if Spence vs Crawford can do even 400k PPVs.

Sometimes a business has to take a risk though.

If ESPN/Top Rank took the risk and allowed Crawford to fight Spence on PBC/Showtime/Fox then the fight could be made easily.

Or if PBC/Showtime/Fox took the risk and allowed Spence to fight on ESPN for one fight then the fight could again be easily made.

The risk is worth it if your fighter wins, he brings back the title from the other side and and your fighter also has now become a mega star.

But neither will take the risk.

I suppose they could do a two fight deal though.

Like have the first fight on ESPN and then have the rematch on Showtime/Fox.

[rickJen]

I too have yet to see Crawford against more established names.
But this is apples and oranges.
Charlo was offered some million $$$$ from DAZN/Hearn.
You can't say that about PBC offering the same to TC.

Like I always say, ducking becomes official
when offers are made and turned down.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Like I always say, ducking becomes official
when offers are made and turned down.

OK, but when one fighter isn't open to an offer at all, that's needs to be included.

Crawford wouldn't even HEAR an offer from Kenny Porter. To me that's a duck.

We need to also include pittance offers.

Crawford offered $4million to prime Danny, yet paid Khan, long damaged, twice that amount. To me that's a duck.

Also an offer was made to Crawford for a Spence fight, Crawford turned it down because it wasn't 50-50 and he wanted to be A-Side (despite deserving neither) . So that's a duck.

[Combat Talk Radio]

in what universe is crawford ducking spence?

From my case closed thread back in April:

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/29033827/terence-crawford-wants-big-fights-sell-soul-get-them

"It all comes down to money, you know, who's gonna be the A-side? Who's going to get the higher percentage," Crawford says.

Crawford believes he has proved more in boxing than Spence and deserves to be the A-side.

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Crawford understands the biggest knock on him is the lack of marquee names he has fought. His biggest "name" wins so far -- Amir Khan, Jeff Horn and Yuriorkis Gamboa -- leave much to be desired. He claims it's a product of fighters saying no to his challenges. Then he delivers his next two challenges: Pacquiao and Spence, in that order.

You mean, fighters saying no to ridiculous, unearned money demands. You've "proved more" yet you acknowledge your resume is crap even before 147.

And why Pacquiao first?

"I'll say Pacquiao first because, you know, he don't have that much longer in the sport. And I want that name on my resume," Crawford said.

Ah. So you want to fight soon-to-be 41-year-old half senator Manny Pacquiao who's on the outs first. Not prime Porter. I see.

And you're admitting, on record for all NSB to see, that Spence isn't ducking you, you're the one blocking the fight because you're being unreasonable with your money ask.

It's not that Crawford doesn't want the bigger profile and the money that comes with it -- he does. But still, Crawford refuses to give in. He did all that in his younger days

Which is why your 'younger days' were better days. You were willing to do what was necessary to become a star. Now, you're not willing.

So the narrative that PBC is ducking is BS. You're just delusional about how much money you should be getting paid.


Finally. On the record.

[-Kev-]

Sometimes a business has to take a risk though.

If ESPN/Top Rank took the risk and allowed Crawford to fight Spence on PBC/Showtime/Fox then the fight could be made easily.

Or if PBC/Showtime/Fox took the risk and allowed Spence to fight on ESPN for one fight then the fight could again be easily made.

The risk is worth it if your fighter wins, he brings back the title from the other side and and your fighter also has now become a mega star.

But neither will take the risk.

I suppose they could do a two fight deal though.

Like have the first fight on ESPN and then have the rematch on Showtime/Fox.

I am far from a financial risk manager, but I am sure the financial experts of the respective promotional/network companies just see these fights bombing so badly that no one wants to take that "risk". And that risk in this case, is just suicide. None of these guys are really big PPV stars. Spence is the biggest star there and his lone PPV was vs Mikey Garcia, a Mexican American boxer with a bigger backing than all 4 of those names in the title, combined.

It is very easy for us fans to ask for certain fights that make no financial sense for any of the parties involved, because we are not losing a significant amount of money. At worse, we see a dud of a fight and are out a measly $65 dollars that we paid for the PPV. When you are talking about a financial loss for a promotional company and network you are talking about tens of millions of dollars which can affect the budget for rest of their their fight cards. So you take a risk with Spence vs Crawford, pay them the astronomical amounts of salaries they want, the undercard is trash because of this, the PPV doesn't even break even, and all you will hear about boxing fans is what a waste that was.

[Doubledagger]

I am far from a financial risk manager, but I am sure the financial experts of the respective promotional/network companies just see these fights bombing so badly that no one wants to take that "risk". And that risk in this case, is just suicide. None of these guys are really big PPV stars. Spence is the biggest star there and his lone PPV was vs Mikey Garcia, a Mexican American boxer with a bigger backing than all 4 of those names in the title, combined.

It is very easy for us fans to ask for certain fights that make no financial sense for any of the parties involved, because we are not losing a significant amount of money. At worse, we see a dud of a fight and are out a measly $65 dollars that we paid for the PPV. When you are talking about a financial loss for a promotional company and network you are talking about tens of millions of dollars which can affect the budget for rest of their their fight cards. So you take a risk with Spence vs Crawford, pay them the astronomical amounts of salaries they want, the undercard is trash because of this, the PPV doesn't even break even, and all you will hear about boxing fans is what a waste that was.

I think you're arguing along a different line of thought than mine.

My understanding is that it isn't the purses of the fighters that is affecting the finances of this fight but rather the fact that the money has to be distributed between ESPN/Top Rank and PBC/Showtime/Haymon.

Hence I suggested the two fight deal where the other side gets the share and in one fight, and the other side gets the share in the other fight.

That's why the fight has always been stated to be difficult to make, because of the split between the two networks and promoters, hence if one side does one fight and the other does the other, then there is no loss to be made and everyone gets paid.

It will be easy to make just like Spence vs Porter and just like all the other big fights that PBC has made, and everyone will get paid.

The only difference is that Crawford and Spence will have to fight twice.