Comments Thread For: WBC Prez Backs Fury: Loaded Glove Allegations Are Ridiculous, Sad, Irresponsible

[Monty Fisto]

In order to successfully win a lawsuit for Libel, you have to prove that the statements made are believable by a majority of people to do damage to your reputation. If Fury tried to sue for libel, he'd be admitting that the accusations are believable. He would more than likely lose. One insignificant man making a single statement about a European boxer who is not even that popular in the US, yeah it would be a waste. The statement actually makes Fury more popular, gets more people interested in the fight, which means Fury makes more money, how would he explain that in court?

You absolutely do not need to prove anything about a majority of people.

You need to establish that the statement is false (easy, because of the steps taken by the commission and the fact that Wilder also had observers in the dressing room and have not complained); that it caused harm (once again, easy. It's not reasonable to conclude that publicly claiming a boxer cheated by loading his gloves in a high-profile win cannot be damaging to their reputation); that the statement was made without adequate research into its truthfulness (given the evidence all points to Fury not having cheated, we would logically assume Wilder's brother has actively ignored the evidence, as opposed to researching it). Finally, for a public figure like Fury, he would have to prove actual malice, meaning that the statement was published with actual knowledge it was false or reckless disregard for whether it was true or false (once again, this is easy. That he published something on social media that he knows there is no evidence for meets the criteria).

At this juncture it would simply be about whether it is worth incurring the legal costs to go after his brother. I'd imagine his brother doesn't have that much money. You can be sure if Wilder himself says anything like this, there will be legal action.

[Monty Fisto]

Of course, if camp Wilder could get a doctor on the stand who said, "yeah, I did an autopsy on Wilder's dead head, before bringing him back to life and I told him no fist could do that!" maybe he'd stand half a chance. Probably not even then, though, unless the doctor said there's a dent, it could only have happened the night he fought Fury and only a loaded wrap could have done it. Good luck with that.

[KillaMane26]

This whole situation sad.... Reason why i don't talk about boxing with my friends..... They was making these exuses as soon as he lost...

Where is Roger when ya need him lol...YDKSAB

[Tankdestroyer]

Wondering if all this is promotion build up for third fight? I mean, this is down-right ****** to be still complaining months after that shameful beating. Rise from the ashes like a phoenix lol

[REDEEMER]

So no links that show Wilder saying that Fury cheated? Right got it. Because they dont exist, thanks. Also, try reading Libal law, if you think it's that simple.

I already read your take on it and it’s dumb as well as untrue of winning a liability case . When Wilder himself accuses Fury of the glove tampering let us all know he hasn’t tho.ugh because he himself knows he’s then the accuser and cannot hide behind other people . See this is what a real education does for you it lets you know what you are talking about. You even thought making more money off damaging a name would be or could be used in court and Fury would have to explain that as though it’s a right for other persons to spread false criminal allegations? Where do you people come from ? Ha

This sole video would put Wilder in the hot seat and send him into retirement if he actually was dumb enough to go to social media and mention glove tampering . Ironically it’s what his cult following is begging him to do .

https://********/vmM9i5By0MQ

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You absolutely do not need to prove anything about a majority of people.

You need to establish that the statement is false (easy, because of the steps taken by the commission and the fact that Wilder also had observers in the dressing room and have not complained); that it caused harm (once again, easy. It's not reasonable to conclude that publicly claiming a boxer cheated by loading his gloves in a high-profile win cannot be damaging to their reputation); that the statement was made without adequate research into its truthfulness (given the evidence all points to Fury not having cheated, we would logically assume Wilder's brother has actively ignored the evidence, as opposed to researching it). Finally, for a public figure like Fury, he would have to prove actual malice, meaning that the statement was published with actual knowledge it was false or reckless disregard for whether it was true or false (once again, this is easy. That he published something on social media that he knows there is no evidence for meets the criteria).

At this juncture it would simply be about whether it is worth incurring the legal costs to go after his brother. I'd imagine his brother doesn't have that much money. You can be sure if Wilder himself says anything like this, there will be legal action.

Well said. Team Wilder should be very worried.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Your point is the one that’s void. Since Margarito...trainers do not bring their own hand wraps, they collect them from the commission, just like the gloves. So yea, it is actually impossible to load the gloves; they wrap the hands with wraps provided by the commission before putting on gloves that are provided by the commission, then watched the entire time by the commission. And please, please do not say “yea but the footage of Fury in his dressing room cut out and went black, that means he switched the cameras off”

Fury won with legal gloves that were fitted correctly, no PEDs, no Gypsy voodoo, no baby oil, no paid off refs, judges, officials, crowd members or members of Wilder’s team. Fury is just better, 10 times out of 10.

The commission does not provide the gloves or wraps. You know nothing about boxing. The wraps are inspected by the commission. The gloves are approved by the commission and then sealed until the night of the fight. The gloves and the wraps are provided by the fighter. I never said Fury cheated, so get off his dyck calm the fhuck down and learn something. Margaritto got caught with plaster of Paris in his wraps, wraps that the commission signed off on. Again you are a low knowledge commentator.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

You absolutely do not need to prove anything about a majority of people.

You need to establish that the statement is false (easy, because of the steps taken by the commission and the fact that Wilder also had observers in the dressing room and have not complained); that it caused harm (once again, easy. It's not reasonable to conclude that publicly claiming a boxer cheated by loading his gloves in a high-profile win cannot be damaging to their reputation); that the statement was made without adequate research into its truthfulness (given the evidence all points to Fury not having cheated, we would logically assume Wilder's brother has actively ignored the evidence, as opposed to researching it). Finally, for a public figure like Fury, he would have to prove actual malice, meaning that the statement was published with actual knowledge it was false or reckless disregard for whether it was true or false (once again, this is easy. That he published something on social media that he knows there is no evidence for meets the criteria).

At this juncture it would simply be about whether it is worth incurring the legal costs to go after his brother. I'd imagine his brother doesn't have that much money. You can be sure if Wilder himself says anything like this, there will be legal action.

You have to show that the statements hurt you in some way, and that they are believable. This is not England, freedom of speech allows people to say whatever they want. If the statement is not proven to show harm Fury will lose the case, whether it's TRUE or false means nothing.

See the decision in Larry flint vs the Revrand, clear case law.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

I already read your take on it and it’s dumb as well as untrue of winning a liability case . When Wilder himself accuses Fury of the glove tampering let us all know he hasn’t tho.ugh because he himself knows he’s then the accuser and cannot hide behind other people . See this is what a real education does for you it lets you know what you are talking about. You even thought making more money off damaging a name would be or could be used in court and Fury would have to explain that as though it’s a right for other persons to spread false criminal allegations? Where do you people come from ? Ha

This sole video would put Wilder in the hot seat and send him into retirement if he actually was dumb enough to go to social media and mention glove tampering . Ironically it’s what his cult following is begging him to do .

https://********/vmM9i5By0MQ

Lol. First it's not a liability case FFS, it's a libal case. Second it's not my opinion, its case law. What you wrote is your opinion. As I said this is not England. In order to win a libal case here on America, Fury would have to show clear damages, and prove that what was said is believable by a majority of people. See Larry Flynt v. The Reverend. It's clear case law. And unless you misunderstood what's going on here, I'm discussing FACTS, I am not discussing your personal or bias feelings/agenda towards Wilder.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Dumbo go read the article, they mentioned Jay Deas was present when they were wrapping up tyson fury , the comission is one thing , the team second of every fighter is something very different, that’s the whole point of how margarito was caught by mosleys team second, ****m richardson.

****m protested the hands being wrapped before he got to the dressing room, he didnt protest the wraps themselves. The commission had already signed off on Margarittos wraps and at first tried to allow Margs to keep wrapping, but ****m continued to pit pressure on them and the commission caved. It's the commission's job to make sure these things do not happen. The only reason why ****m found the plaster was because Margs started sweating which caused the plaster to harden, if ****m was there at the initial wrapping, he may have not caught it. Either way, putting faith in the commission should only go so far, which was my point. I also never said Fury cheated, neither did I say these circumstances were similar. My point is and was from my original post was based on the faith people are putting on the commission's. Pretty simple.