pacquiao vs Welterweight King Sugar Ray Robinson

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  • Smash
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    #21
    the last time i picked against SRR i was told i DKSAB & i dont want that to happen again

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    • Happy Lora
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      #22
      Originally posted by American Dad
      LMAO. Get real. Sugar ray robinson fought in the 1940s. No athlete from the 1940s is going to beat a modern athlete with modern training and nutrition.

      If u wanna talk who’s greater, that’s a different matter. But head to head? A modern fighter destroys some dude from WW2.

      Sincerely,
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      Wow, I've never heard that before! You must be the first person to have ever made this argument! Thank you for showing us all the light!

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        #23
        Originally posted by Happy Lora
        Wow, I've never heard that before! You must be the first person to have ever made this argument! Thank you for showing us all the light!



        it is a ridiculous argument

        those guys fought 15(+) rounds... some fighters today gas after 6 rounds

        I hear more and more fighters using old-school training methods

        90% young fighters do not have dietitians and conditioning coaches... many try them, and then go back to what they know best

        SNAC fighters... lose to non-SNAC fighters

        the main difference is not so much diet and training, it is how boxing has evolved

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          #24
          Originally posted by aboutfkntime
          it is a ridiculous argument

          those guys fought 15(+) rounds... some fighters today gas after 6 rounds

          I hear more and more fighters using old-school training methods

          90% young fighters do not have dietitians and conditioning coaches... many try them, and then go back to what they know best

          SNAC fighters... lose to non-SNAC fighters

          the main difference is not so much diet and training, it is how boxing has evolved


          like I was saying...

          breadman Edwards, today...

          Bread’s Response: Don’t listen to that garbage!

          Here is the thing. Color and HD TV will make today’s fighter looked enhanced. Sports Science and Nutrition will make today’s fighter look bigger and more defined. Fighters today seem to have more physicality. They walk around bigger. I admit that.

          But boxing is a sport of skill first. And skill and technique have not evolved. Ray Robinson and Joe Louis are still the best punchers I have seen as far as punch delivery, technique, accuracy and getting off their hardest shots in combination. They fought 80 years ago. You can only throw but so many punches. It’s not like fighters grew an extra arm over the years. A jab is still a jab. A rear hand power shot is still the same. Some are over hand, some are straight. A hook is still a hook. An uppercut is still an uppercut.

          When one of these experts say this I always try to tell them that Ray Robinson’s body would look like Errol Spence’s body if he fought today. And Errol Spence’s body would look like Ray Robinson’s body if he fought in the 1940s. Their conditioning and diets would be of the era they fought in.

          Obviously there are things that older fighters did that you don’t do today. Some of them ran 10 miles. We know now that you don’t need to run 10 miles to get ready for a fight. You can sprint and do speed endurance intervals and run 3 and 4 miles and keep more muscle mass. Not produce estrogen which comes on when you run too many miles. And you will stay more explosive. So of course fighters in the past didn’t carry the same muscle mass as they do now.

          But the fighters of this era lose 30+ pounds to get ready for fights. And we know that also ruins the testosterone. We know that causes fatigue. We know that damages the punch resistance. So in every era fighters do things counter productive to sports science.

          Here is what I know for a fact. Because boxing is skill first like baseball they are the two sports that haven’t advance as much with sports science. Boxing also has weight divisions. Errol Spence is 5’9 ½ with a 72inch reach. Ray Robinson is 5’11 with a 72inch each reach. It’s not like in football where as an offensive lineman was 250lbs, 6ft tall. And now they are 320lbs, 6ft 6 inches.

          It’s not like that in boxing. In fact most of these welterweights today are 5’8 and under. Kid Gavilan was 5’10 also in Robinson’s era. Leonard and Hearns and Benitez all would be taller and longer than the welters of this era.

          My point is it’s not like evolution has produced a whole era of 6’1, 77 inch welters who can punch, are laser fast and never get tired. They are the same height and size of the past eras they just walk around heavier.

          In baseball the average top pitch speed has only went up incrementally and that could be from the balls being played with. After the Steroid era the number of homeruns went down just like they did in past eras. It’s not like in baseball we have players hitting .400 on the regular.

          Skill sports are skill sports. Errol Spence is a great fighter and he could compete in any era. But he’s not murking Ray Robinson, Kid Gavlian, Ray Leonard, Emille Griffith, Tommy Hearns, Wilfred Benitez, Oscar De La Hoya, Felix Trindidad or Donald Curry. I’m not saying they all would beat him. But I am saying he would have a full night’s work out of everyone. Their skills and sizes are all comparable give or take...

          https://www.boxingscene.com/daily-br...e-more--149793

          back in the day... every contender could fight off the back foot, and every contender could fight on the inside... guys were more well-rounded and their style/game developed better because they fought more often

          the cool story that modern fighters automatically beat greats from the past... is nonsense... some could, but most could not

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            #25
            Originally posted by W1LL
            Anyone saying this wouldn't be competetive should have their account deleted. Tis that simple. Majority of them basing their opinions off reading second-hand accounts of SRR and watching some grainy YouTube clips. Simply do not know what they are talking about.
            What makes Tyson Fury king of the HWs?

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              #26
              senator pac vs srr would be a 50-50 fight imo.

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                #27
                Originally posted by pasawayako
                senator pac vs srr would be a 50-50 fight imo.
                Extremely ****** even for you.

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                  #28
                  They do it right now?

                  SRR- talent
                  PAC- technique

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                    #29
                    And I thought I hated Pac..........

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                    • pasawayako
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                      #30
                      Easy win for pac.

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