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  • Ritz Kola
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    #21
    I see a bunch of misinformation as the reason people like one over the other, and just in general- misinformation & confusion- which clearly leads to frustration as always. I'll just drop a numbered list addressing misinformation I came across. Feel free to address any number, BY then number, if you'd like. Specific to the USA.
    1.Boxing being compared to the UFC. The UFC is a brand/company/promotion in MMA- which is the sport. It's imperative that I state this upfront because so much misinformation I come across stems from a lack of understanding this simple concept.
    2. The UFC has a monopoly on MMA, the way the NBA has a monopoly on Basketball.
    3. Boxing still gets higher viewership than MMA in America.
    4. So much of sports is demographics. Thats something even the men in suits who run the networks/team organizations/etc understand. Once the UFC came out, white America as a whole shifted from the largely AA dominated Boxing to the largely white dominated mma. That's an extremely condensed gist of things.
    5. Boxing needs to learn things from the UFC. Incorrect. See my very first point on the list. Comprehend it. Now pay attention. When "Boxing" (quotes for a reason) attempts things similar to the UFC, you same people are the first ones to complain. The UFC does NOT do business with other MMA brands, which isn't the case in Boxing. The UFC keeps everything in house, which using your common sense you should understand that over extended periods of time have gotten them to this monopoly position. Which is why the UFC is able to do the things you like in the first place.
    6. cont: When PBC has all the best talent at welter and makes them all fight each other you same people complain. Even though it's the best fighting the best. Complaining about PBC keeping things in house (which isn't true) yet praising the UFC for that same tactic. When rumors of PBC creating its own title are around you same people complained...even though thats what the UFC does and gets praised for...there's so much more to go into for #5-6 but the point has been made. Use your brain.
    7. The unwillingness to give praise to a Boxing promotion- yet the unending praise an MMA promotion gets. As if both don't have great things they are doing. So much of this is racial/tribal. I realize that. Theres no reason the PBC shouldn't be getting the equivalent amount of Praise for what its doing for Boxing. Brought events back to "free" television. Building rising stars. Heck Maintaining higher viewership than the UFC. And getting fighters paid. However, this racial/tribal bias, keeps "fans" from praising the PBC for doing so much right. Which leads to "fans" overlooking the good things that are happening in Boxing...just they can go to the MMA and praise the UFC. While wishing "Boxing" a sport, was more like The UFC a company- yet disliking The PBC every time they do things "like The UFC."
    The truth is MMA has already peaked in America. Because the UFC has a monopoly and the UFC itself has peaked here. See in Boxing regardless of over-exaggeration and spiteful fans jealous of another Brands success; promoters actually do work together and it happens regularly. Its expected. MMA however, haas reached its peak because the UFC NEVER works with other promoters to make fights. NEVER. Which has stunted the growth the MMA could've had. Yet for some odd reason Boxing gets unwarranted hate for promoters not working together while MMA by way of the UFC gets praise- for doing exactly that- not working with other promoters.
    Fights between promoters will take time because these are two different business with goals/plans/and obligations. And the SAME exact thing will happen if the UFC ever decides to start doing business with other MMA promoters. Food for thought.
    I wouldn't stop the UFC. I'd just point out what would happen and be praised as Nostradamus for it.

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    • KillaCamNZ
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      #22
      To be honest, the problems in boxing are so bad, and so rotten to the core...getting rid of UFC won't change that. Something would have to change in boxing's own backyard.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Marchegiano
        It comes around every 300-500 years since 686BC. It's not a big deal in the big picture, I don't think, and UFC isn't really anything special in terms of open rules combat sports popping up and morphing into what we already had.

        The specialized sports exist in the first place, and do not disappear for hundreds of years, because we've already ran the experiment a few times and what's going to happen is the generalists will become specialized in their successes and shape the sport into a specialized sport.


        You know, in Bare Knuckle they used to gouge eyes out and stomp nuts? Yeah, it's true....those guys got their asses kicked by wrestlers and boxer, then the wrestlers got their asses kicked by boxers and then boxing became a pure punching sport....again.

        There are periods when sword, staff, club, and a bag or rocks are totally admissible for a boxing match. They too got punched in their faces and knocked it off.

        Point is, it's just human nature. It's a cycle we do. There is no stopping it. Let them have their fun, they'll come to same conclusion they always do.
        Yes strange thing was? Boxing is the refined version of Mixed Martial Arts 'As you have pointed out, they used to wrestle and do many things in bare knuckle fighting'.

        Eventually bare knuckle fighting was refined and morphed into boxing. The UFC is the only platform mixed martial arts has really worked on 'If the UFC was run like boxing, it would not really be successful'.

        Note: I am not one of these people who idolize the promotional outfit of the UFC, the day boxing is run all under one banner 'Is the day boxing loses its essence'. Boxing is a democracy 'The last true working class sport'.

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        • sicko
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          #24
          What? WHY? F#ck No! I'm enjoying UFC more than Boxing as of Late and that is just the honest truth. I guess I'm just a a Hardcore Combat Sports Fan!

          I go way back with MMA, can't believe I've been a fan so long because the sport really does seem like it is a New Sport but it is not, it has been around for awhile. I use to watch UFC before I even knew WTF UFC was. I remember watching Tank Abbott, Dan Severn, Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock just to name a few. I also remember PRIDE FC with guys like Fedor, Cro Cop, Anderson Silva, Rampage Jackson, Anderson Silva, Wanderlei Silva, Alistair Overeem and many other MMA Legends before they jumped to the UFC

          Boxing underestimated the UFC and I totally understand why Dana White and the UFC still holds a grudge against Bob Arum...


          UFC have Surpassed Boxing in Popularity here in the States despite some fans particularly on this forum being in complete denial about it but it is true. Not only has it surpassed Boxing in Popularity I also think it has a brighter future than the sport of boxing because UFC are masterful at connecting with its fans and they jumped on youtube and building up their social media presence very early. While with boxing, a lot of these promoters are just now starting to use Youtube and Social Media so they're so far behind it is kinda laughing looking at the numbers that UFC does on youtube compared to Boxing Promoters youtube pages combined

          UFC also does a better job building up and creating new Stars like Israel Adesanya, Sean O'Malley and others while Boxing is really struggling to build up new Stars especially here in America.

          I kinda agree with Dana White not sure if Boxing Recovers after this Pandemic, boxing will always be around BUT some Promoters I don't will ever recover after this and fighters will have no choice but to take Less Money.

          Unfortunately for UFC fighters, they will never be compensated properly financial and will always get screwed over financially working with the UFC
          Last edited by sicko; 06-22-2020, 04:05 PM.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Bunch Pag
            I'd let it roll out but enforce something where the one man band doesn't suck the trade dry....
            MMA is what it is cuz of the dictatorship of the UFC.

            Every sport that's bigger than boxing has a dictatorship more or less.

            Boxing would be much better off overall today if the OP's time machine was used to somehow get a power structure in boxing that had more control than anything or anyone has currently. The bigger fights & enhanced legacies of the top guys of each era from the late 70s on til today wouldn't be a bad trade-off for fans & most boxers for the top 1% of boxers receiving less money most likely in a boxing equivalent world to other sports power structure.

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              #26
              Originally posted by sicko
              UFC also does a better job building up and creating new Stars like Israel Adesanya, Sean O'Malley and others while Boxing is really struggling to build up new Stars especially here in America.
              Idk that the UFC builds stars so much as it gets out of its own way with allowing stars to be created. If boxing operated more like MMA stars would be forged through fire & organically, as they should be, vs how it works currently where a promoter cherry picks a guy who looks, acts & sounds sellable to the masses & then he cleverly moves him up the ranks with the least risk possible til the money gets big enough to take risks.

              Granted there are always guys in the UFC seen as getting softer touches than others, but that's more the exception to the rule than vice versa & it's always less arguable then it is in boxing. In boxing that's the rule for anyone deemed worthy of a big future. No one seen as capable of a big future before turning pro is ever forged through fire anymore.

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              • Happy Lora
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                #27
                Originally posted by Eff Pandas
                Idk that the UFC builds stars so much as it gets out of its own way with allowing stars to be created. If boxing operated more like MMA stars would be forged through fire & organically, as they should be, vs how it works currently where a promoter cherry picks a guy who looks, acts & sounds sellable to the masses & then he cleverly moves him up the ranks with the least risk possible til the money gets big enough to take risks.

                Granted there are always guys in the UFC seen as getting softer touches than others, but that's more the exception to the rule than vice versa & it's always less arguable then it is in boxing. In boxing that's the rule for anyone deemed worthy of a big future. No one seen as capable of a big future before turning pro is ever forged through fire anymore.
                Excellent points.

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                • sicko
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Eff Pandas
                  Idk that the UFC builds stars so much as it gets out of its own way with allowing stars to be created. If boxing operated more like MMA stars would be forged through fire & organically, as they should be, vs how it works currently where a promoter cherry picks a guy who looks, acts & sounds sellable to the masses & then he cleverly moves him up the ranks with the least risk possible til the money gets big enough to take risks.

                  Granted there are always guys in the UFC seen as getting softer touches than others, but that's more the exception to the rule than vice versa & it's always less arguable then it is in boxing. In boxing that's the rule for anyone deemed worthy of a big future. No one seen as capable of a big future before turning pro is ever forged through fire anymore.
                  That is a great Point as well! UFC does seem to allow things to build up organically while Boxing wants to pick and choose which fighters become Stars and will literally force a fighter upon fans and use Bias Commentary to try and get people to believe they're "Watching The Next Big Thing In Boxing"

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