I sent breadman an email regarding Sergio Martinez ducking Golovkin

[Thunderstruck]

Exactly! Not sure why BM insists that Sergio criminally ducked Golovkin

He’s a trainer with an opinion nothing more.Somebody brought up old middleweights Lamotta zale up to Hagler .He had Canelo beating these all time greats with iron chins high output fighters over 15 rounds .Canelo is a great fighter but we saw GGG pressure bothering him in the first fight then he put the track shoes on .Second fight he stood his ground for a close call against a 36 year old middleweight at the end of his career.Canelo can’t go full on for 12 rounds and fades in the late rounds.So with this in mind that would be his doom vs greats like Hagler ect.Canelo is a great fighter for his 12 rd generation.

[JohnCastellanos]

He’s a trainer with an opinion nothing more.Somebody brought up old middleweights Lamotta zale up to Hagler .He had Canelo beating these all time greats with iron chins high output fighters over 15 rounds .Canelo is a great fighter but we saw GGG pressure bothering him in the first fight then he put the track shoes on .Second fight he stood his ground for a close call against a 36 year old middleweight at the end of his career.Canelo can’t go full on for 12 rounds and fades in the late rounds.So with this in mind that would be his doom vs greats like Hagler ect.Canelo is a great fighter for his 12 rd generation.

A lot of ppl look at that era like the steroid era so who’s to say Hagler could do 12 rounds clean

[TonyGe]

BM recently tweeted that Martinez criminally ducked ggg. But if you research the timeline of both their careers you’ll see ggg wasn’t anywhere on the radar. But you are correct GGG or Tom Loefflor can be asked if any effort was even made to fight Sergio Martinez. I believe no effort was made whatsoever

Plenty of effort was made by Golovkin but yes the timing was bad. After the Chavez fight Sergio went downhill. There was no way his promotor and management would let him fight Golovkin when there were winnable lucrative fights out there. Martinez earned the right to end his career with a big payday. I really don't understand Bread's take on this particular matchup.

[JohnCastellanos]

Plenty of effort was made by Golovkin but yes the timing was bad. After the Chavez fight Sergio went downhill. There was no way his promotor and management would let him fight Golovkin when there were winnable lucrative fights out there. Martinez earned the right to end his career with a big payday. I really don't understand Bread's take on this particular matchup.

Yeah man I doubt he’ll respond.

[Smash]

lol yeah that will really work

sure he will just say "yeah i was really scared of GGG and so we didnt make that fight"

ha ha yeah that would be weird. I havnt bothered to check time lines on it but it looks like martinez may have been coming to the end of his career and ggg was a dangerous up and comer. In this type of case im not sure if its ducking or more just being smart. If the money was mega then maybe a dodge but i dont think that was the case. Thats boxing.

[Caxcan]

“But if you research the timeline of both their careers, you’ll see ggg wasn’t anywhere on the radar.“

This is my favorite part of the thread. The OP tries to convince us that GGG wasn’t even relevant when Martinez was winning titles at middleweight.

Martinez won his first middleweight title only four months before Golovkin won his first middleweight title.

Martinez then had seven fights at middleweight over four years after winning that title and before retiring. GGG fought 10 times in that span and was considered a dangerous and top middleweight the entire time.

I’m not taking a side in the who ducked who battle, I just wanted to point out how insane it is to think GGG wasn’t relevant from 2010-2014.

GGG was an afterthought for most of his career. When Martinez defeated Pavlik to become unified MW champ, GGG was preparing to face a journeyman for an interim belt. At one point, GGG was one of three belt holders by the WBA. He didn't make his US debut until late '12 when Martinez was facing Chavez Jr. Prior to that fight GGG had faced a Japanese journeyman on an undercard in the Ukraine, so no, he wasn't some in demand fighter. He didn't start receiving real buzz until HBO decided to hype him as the second coming while Martinez was on his way out.