How do small HW's beat today's huge HW's like Fury?

[HitmanTommy]

What is the game plan? In the 90's, there were small heavyweights beating huge heavyweights all of the time, but it seems to happen far less today.

So what changed and how do small heavyweights turn the tables?

[Mindgames]

The smaller guys these days don't seem fit enough to get on their toes. I was watching Herbie Hide bashing up a few big heavies, and he moved well and had good power too. He'd be cruiserweight today though.

[Smash]

smaller guys should be faster so if they were elusive too that could be a gameplan plus if they had good power maybe body shots on the inside could work, if u had a big aggressive guy on a smaller guys case it could be tricky if the smaller guy lacked any sort of pop on their shots

[Marchegiano]

More output because output favors the small. Well, if by output we can mean more constant pressure and boxing not necessarily punch count.....and some more power.


Today 100% of our smaller ranked HWs are fat as **** or are Usyk. Ruiz for example can't really take advantage of his height because of his weight. Meaning dude is just disadvantaged by it.

Usyk, being the sole prime and in shape small HW in the top ranks is also the sole high output guy in the division.

A guy like Andy can hit you a ton if you stand right there for him. I'm sure Andy can stand still and throw plenty of punches, Usyk can move and keep pressure and that's been what's been missing from the small man game.



Check the history, Tyson, Frazier, Marciano, Fitz, the men known for fighting men larger than them and winning, all high output fighters. Take Tyson, make him fat, now all you got is Tua. Great HW, can punch a ****load, his output suffers cause he's fat and limits him down to just a great not an ATG.


Fitzsimmons used a high energy tactic of bouncing in and out of range until the other fighter had slown enough for his solar plexus. People act like he only caught Corbett with that, nope, not at all. That was staple Fitzs. Stay away, keep his man active, when he slows wallop the mug.

Frazier, GD, Frazier damn near made Ali quit from exhaustion, read Ali's book. I don't think anything can put over his output more.

Marciano? Have you seen a clip? Never stops punching, ever.

Tyson is on you like a fly on **** from bell to bell.


Today's modern equivalent? Nada, nothing, closest to is Usyk who hasn't got power. I don't think you need a ton of power, power at your size is enough once a big HW is tired, but, Usyk doesn't even have power at CW so I dunno about him.


Is Ruiz gonna get in shape?

Does Usyk carry power he doesn't use because he hasn't needed to yet?

I dunno, but I think they are the best chance for a HW champion...a real one with at least one defense.

[bojangles1987]

Small heavyweights would beat fighters like Fury the same way they always have, by being skilled enough to do so. There are no heavyweights like Holmes or Holyfield around to fight a Fury. It's not like Fury looks ****ing invincible or anything, he's a hard fight but he's nowhere near unbeatable. Way worse fighters than the great heavyweights of all time have made Fury look beatable.

Right now, there aren't any heavyweights with the kind of skill you'd see from smaller heavyweights in the past.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Tyson Fury may be big 'But is he really that strong?' You are speaking about him as if he is one of the strongest men in the world. If Tyson Fury was as solid physically as David Haye, he would most likely be weighing in at 240 + pounds 'I have stated this many times, very few of these big super-heavyweights are solid at the weight' all accept Anthony Joshua.

Tyson Fury does not hit particular hard, his stamina is not great 'Plus I think there is a clumsy kid inside of him'. There is a clumsy kid inside of Tyson Fury that can surface at any time.

I am not fooled by the media, JUST like when they attempted to make the masses believe that Deontay Wilder was the most destructive fearsome offensive fighter of all time 'Now they are engineering a campaign to paint Tyson Fury as some sort of technical genius beyond comprehension' I am not entirely 100% buying into it.

Note: The Cruiser-weight division needs to be scrapped, It needs to be moved back to the 190 pound limit 'So more classical physique heavyweights can resurface again at heavyweight'.

[elfag]

If youre talking small in terms of weight, Wilder was a cruiserweight in their first fight, dropped him twice and almost stopped him.

Also cruiserweight cunningham dropped him too.


Usyk waited too long now to move to heavy, hes getting up there in age and didnt look that good.

David Haye was elite level. Wasnt that long ago that waay past prime James toney was giving sam peter hell.

Also if you look at Ruiz and say ok hes like 6'2'' or so and what would he really weigh if he was fit and like 15% bodyfat, he is a small heavyweight that just bloatmaxed up to superheavyweight.

[elfag]

Tyson Fury may be big 'But is he really that strong?' You are speaking about him as if he is one of the strongest men in the world. If Tyson Fury was as solid physically as David Haye, he would most likely be weighing in at 240 + pounds 'I have stated this many times, very few of these big super-heavyweights are solid at the weight' all accept Anthony Joshua.

Tyson Fury does not hit particular hard, his stamina is not great 'Plus I think there is a clumsy kid inside of him'. There is a clumsy kid inside of Tyson Fury that can surface at any time.

I am not fooled by the media, JUST like when they attempted to make the masses believe that Deontay Wilder was the most destructive fearsome offensive fighter of all time 'Now they are engineering a campaign to paint Tyson Fury as some sort of technical genius beyond comprehension' I am not entirely 100% buying into it.

AJ might even be the biggest "large" heavyweight besides some freak like valuev or something if you adjust for age.

If you look at Lewis and the klits and what they weighed in their 20s and they slowly put on like 20 lbs over the years.

[Cortez]

Tyson Fury may be big 'But is he really that strong?' You are speaking about him as if he is one of the strongest men in the world. If Tyson Fury was as solid physically as David Haye, he would most likely be weighing in at 240 + pounds 'I have stated this many times, very few of these big super-heavyweights are solid at the weight' all accept Anthony Joshua.

Tyson Fury does not hit particular hard, his stamina is not great 'Plus I think there is a clumsy kid inside of him'. There is a clumsy kid inside of Tyson Fury that can surface at any time.

I am not fooled by the media, JUST like when they attempted to make the masses believe that Deontay Wilder was the most destructive fearsome offensive fighter of all time 'Now they are engineering a campaign to paint Tyson Fury as some sort of technical genius beyond comprehension' I am not entirely 100% buying into it.

Note: The Cruiser-weight division needs to be scrapped, It needs to be moved back to the 190 pound limit 'So more classical physique heavyweights can resurface again at heavyweight'.

fury is very solid at the weight. D Haye and AJ , that's just genetics.

If fury lost a load of weight he would just look like a smaller version of himself, he wouldnt be defined with abs. There will never be a v taper.

as for his skill we dont know how skilled he is yet, out of nowhere he started boxing southpaw,

then skill level seemed to massively improve, none thought he could beat wlad but he did by points of all things,

then he was looked at as boxer only , butr reverted to roughhouse aginst wilder, I dont think we have seen the full bag of tricks yet

[PRINCEKOOL]

fury is very solid at the weight. D Haye and AJ , that's just genetics.

If fury lost a load of weight he would just look like a smaller version of himself, he wouldnt be defined with abs. There will never be a v taper.

as for his skill we dont know how skilled he is yet, out of nowhere he started boxing southpaw,

then skill level seemed to massively improve, none thought he could beat wlad but he did by points of all things,

then he was looked at as boxer only , butr reverted to roughhouse aginst wilder, I dont think we have seen the full bag of tricks yet

I am not insinuating That Tyson Fury is out of condition 'For his body type? He is in condition'. But lets make one thing clear? Tyson Fury is not solid at the weight, not like Anthony Joshua is or how past heavyweights such as Wladimir Kiltschko and David Haye where etc If Tyson Fury was solid at the weight like those guys, he would be weighing in at 240 + pounds 'In terms of functional mass Tyson Fury is not a mountain of a man, he is just a tall man'.