Fury ATG Big Man?

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Marchegiano
    Banned
    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
    • Aug 2010
    • 12208
    • 1,790
    • 2,307
    • 165,288

    #1

    Fury ATG Big Man?

    Fury hasn't really done enough to challenge the traditional ATG lists for most people. Which is fine and respectable, he should make a defense in his career and more than a two names resume would be good.

    However, looking across the history of the big men, they never really did all that much anyway

    If you make the mark 6'6" or taller there aren't many. I could have missed a few, I don't know every single champ's height, but, I believe these are the men who became a world HW champion and happened to be 6'6" or better.
    1. Jess Willard 6'6.5"
    2. Primo Carnera 6'6"
    3. Ernie Terrell 6'6"
    4. Henry Akinwande 6'7"
    5. Vitali Klitschko 6'7"
    6. Nikolai Valuev 7'
    7. Deontay Wilder 6'7"
    8. Anthony Joshua 6'7"


    That's not a ranking, it's chronological.

    Among them, the only undisputed champions are Willard and Primo.

    Terrell was a half decent WBA champion with two defenses, one being Chuvalo, but not exactly an ATG level resume, reign, or collection of belts there.

    Akinwande was a WBO champion when the WBO was a minor so counting him is your choice really.

    Vitali's WBO run prior to the WBO being a major body is literally two no hopers. His first WBC run was likewise; Danny Williams. His second WBC run, 9 defenses, decent names but nothing great; a good WBC champion

    Valuev is a decent x2 WBA champion with a total combined four defenses under him against old men and no hopers.

    Deontay Wilder stacked 10 if you count the first Fury draw and 9 if you don't. Matched Vitali in the numbers at least and though resume is debatable I don't think either has any great names. I'd go with V's Briggs as the single best but honestly that was a **** show.

    Anthony Joshua has the most titles anyone 6'6"+ has ever owned...outside of Tyson. To date AJ has 6 defenses for his titles under his belt. That's 5 on Fury's IBF defenses, 3 WBA defenses more than Fury, and one WBO defense Fury doesn't have. (2 of them are WBA/IBF defenses) Unfortunately, these defenses are not far from the Wilder or Vitali caliber; a mix of no hopers and old men.

    Tyson Fury does own or has owned the most titles in giant **** history. He's never made a defense in his career but has probably the best resume being the only 6'6"+ man in boxing history to grab his title not just from an old man and then defend them against no hopers, but rather grab those titles from the old man and defeated the other prime, reigning and defending HW champion.


    Willard beat no prime champions ever.

    Primo beat no one worth a damn period.

    Terrell's Chuvalo is a nice name to have but is it really a great win? Prime reigning defending champion level win?

    Henry may be worse than Primo.

    Valuev clearly hasn't done enough to rank above Fury.

    That's just Wilder, who Fury KTFO, and Joshua, who has more defenses but gathered less belts and has no Wilder or Wlad caliber wins. His more braggable feats are repeating Fury's. Makes it hard to place him above Fury and Wilder having been KTFO makes it damn impossible to rank him above Fury.


    On top of all that. Tyson Fury is undefeated.



    I reckon in this narrow scope of history Tyson Fury has already done enough to be called the best ever, and, even if you disagree, he's clearly not far from it.

    H2H and accolade wise, I favor Fury. At least until someone gets a win over him. Goliath, Atlas, and Paul Bunyan ain't got **** on the Gypsy King.
  • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
    Undisputed Champion
    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
    • Oct 2017
    • 28905
    • 9,230
    • 2,039
    • 246,831

    #2
    I agree... I think he’s clearly the best fighter 6”6 or above in terms of ability.

    I always thought of Lennox Lewis and George Foreman as “big men” for their eras, I’d put them above Fury.

    However, using height as the metric, I think there’s nobody better than Fury IMO.

    I’d suggest only the Klitschko brothers are in the same conversation tbh.

    Comment

    • Canelo and GGG
      NSB's Golden Boy
      Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
      • Sep 2016
      • 4582
      • 106
      • 92
      • 15,725

      #3
      If he beats AJ i think that he will be legit ATG ,it would be 3 big wins ,and big wins is what matters ,nobody cares how many lesser fighters he beats.

      Comment

      • Froch_uppercut
        Undisputed Champion
        Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
        • Jan 2015
        • 1572
        • 120
        • 12
        • 40,630

        #4
        WTF is it with all this Fury hype? He beat Wlad impressively, and a hype job phoney. Other than that he lost to McDermott and has been on a steady diet of meh opposition.

        Talk to me when he has beaten Povetkin, Parker, Whyte etc. Stop the hype, and let's see what's what after he's beaten maybe 5 top guys. ATG lmao.

        Comment

        • Marchegiano
          Banned
          Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
          • Aug 2010
          • 12208
          • 1,790
          • 2,307
          • 165,288

          #5
          Originally posted by Froch_uppercut
          WTF is it with all this Fury hype? He beat Wlad impressively, and a hype job phoney. Other than that he lost to McDermott and has been on a steady diet of meh opposition.

          Talk to me when he has beaten Povetkin, Parker, Whyte etc. Stop the hype, and let's see what's what after he's beaten maybe 5 top guys. ATG lmao.
          Same reason I got behind Wilder full force:

          I want to believe in the return of greatness. Not just greater than the other guy or guys, true, real, ****in' proven badassery of the highest level.


          I'm like one of them *******s who believes in aliens over here. I want to believe and so it's an easy sell.

          Comment

          • Froch_uppercut
            Undisputed Champion
            Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
            • Jan 2015
            • 1572
            • 120
            • 12
            • 40,630

            #6
            Originally posted by Marchegiano
            Same reason I got behind Wilder full force:

            I want to believe in the return of greatness. Not just greater than the other guy or guys, true, real, ****in' proven badassery of the highest level.


            I'm like one of them *******s who believes in aliens over here. I want to believe and so it's an easy sell.
            Sorry mate you've lost me.

            Comment

            • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
              Undisputed Champion
              Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
              • Oct 2017
              • 28905
              • 9,230
              • 2,039
              • 246,831

              #7
              Originally posted by Froch_uppercut
              WTF is it with all this Fury hype? He beat Wlad impressively, and a hype job phoney. Other than that he lost to McDermott and has been on a steady diet of meh opposition.

              Talk to me when he has beaten Povetkin, Parker, Whyte etc. Stop the hype, and let's see what's what after he's beaten maybe 5 top guys. ATG lmao.
              “Povetkin, Parker and Whyte”😂

              Sweet Caroline...

              Comment

              • Froch_uppercut
                Undisputed Champion
                Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                • Jan 2015
                • 1572
                • 120
                • 12
                • 40,630

                #8
                Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
                “Povetkin, Parker and Whyte”😂

                Sweet Caroline...
                2 world champions and all 3 have a much better resume than Wilder.

                American Pie.

                Comment

                • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
                  Undisputed Champion
                  Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                  • Oct 2017
                  • 28905
                  • 9,230
                  • 2,039
                  • 246,831

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Froch_uppercut
                  2 world champions and all 3 have a much better resume than Wilder.

                  American Pie.
                  That regular title doe...

                  Those guys have literally failed more drug tests than they’ve won titles.

                  Sweet Caroline...

                  So dumb, so dumb, so dumb.

                  Comment

                  • Froch_uppercut
                    Undisputed Champion
                    Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                    • Jan 2015
                    • 1572
                    • 120
                    • 12
                    • 40,630

                    #10
                    Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
                    That regular title doe...

                    Those guys have literally failed more drug tests than they’ve won titles.

                    Sweet Caroline...

                    So dumb, so dumb, so dumb.
                    You're not really able to engage in reasonable boxing discussion.

                    If you were, I'd be interested to ask you how you think Widler's record would look if he'd fought exactly the same guys as AJ, or Whyte?

                    But you won't answer properly, I'll answer for you > He'd have losses galore.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    TOP