Proof that under zero circumstances did Martinez duck ggg. Nopal smoke session

[Citizen Koba]

Absolutely and I like to remind ppl about how shrewd Golovkins team was at negotiating by bringing up the fact that they paid Vanes 250k, seems a bit low to headline on a Mexican holiday at a sold out venue vs Golovkin in between Golovkin 2 biggest paydays of his entire career. I mean the guy probably paid guys like Geale like what 90k?

Well it's interesting that you bring up what Golovkin was paying guys, cos of course this is the real reason Golovkin wasn't getting top flight opponents, not cos he was avoiding the tough fights or whatever folk say. This ish is almost always financial. Folk can mock him for being Mr 97k or whatever and say 'who he fought?' but of course the two things are inseperable and also mean that arguments about Golovkin 'ducking' dudes become kinda moot... What you may be missing is that Golovkin wasn't paying these dudes, HBO was, and HBO had been dying the death of thousand cuts since the late noughties, maybe before, Haymon and the SHO rivalry were pushing them to the brink and guys like Golovkin and Kovalev were last ditch attempts to build stars on shoestring budget.

HBO only paid 1.25 mil for the May weekend fight cos that's all HBO could afford I reckon... they'd been expecting some good PPV revenue to fill the coffers and instead found themselves having to scrpae togehter what they could for a fight they just hadn't budgeted for. Loadsa fighters were clamouring for the fight when they thought they were getting a PPV payday, but all of a sudden no-one wanted it when they realised what was actually on the table.

[JohnCastellanos]

When Sergio was active he stated on the record Golovkin was "off the charts" skill wise and then elected to face Murray and Cotto.

He was asked. But but that in no way means that Golovkin or his team asked for a fight vs Sergio Martinez. That’s like if you ask Canelo about bjs and he admits he’s good but already has a fight lined up with someone else. Admitting he’s good dosnt bind him or insinuate that they’re in the process of negotiating.

[aboutfkntime]

You ppl need to stop saying Martinez ducked ggg! Here’s proof that ggg and Tom Loefflor and the ggg militia are lying.
Martinez won the WBC by beating Kelly Pavlick on 04/2010 and 4 months later ggg was barely even fighting for the vacant interim WBA title. FFwd to 09/2012 a fight that many of us credit Sergio Martinez last good performance that actually ruined him vs Chavez JR at that same time GGG was barely fighting for the Vacant WBA Regular which we all consider a fake belt. Ok now ffwd to 06/2014 which was the fight Martinez basically was already shot and basically sold the torch to Cotto. What was Golovkin doing then? He was still the Vacant Regular WBA fake champ and it was only a month later that he beat Geale to be elavated to Vacant WBA super champ on 07/2014. My argument is this: under what circumstance can Golovkin a vacant regular fake wba champ claim Sergio a full fledged lineal and WBC champion Champion ducked him? How hard is it to understand that fighters in those positions with those fake belts aren’t taken seriously. Not to mention the fact that Martinez didn’t even take Rubio his mandatory wbc silver champ serious enough to fight him and why would he fight a fake champ of the other governing body before the fake champ in his own governing body? And let me just remind some of you that you need to get your time line in order and stop claiming that ggg was owed a shot at Martinez because he was his mandatory, this not so because Rubio was actually Martinez’s mandatory and Golovkin didn’t beat Rubio till 6 months after Martinez had already been retired by the loss to Cotto. I’m not really sure what other angle you ggg defenders will come up with but if I was a betting man you’ll probably say: GGG offered to fight Martinez and they declined and that’s considered a duck even for a 39 year old Martinez. But even for that ****** claim to have any legitimacy ggg would have to have never ducked any challenge or offer so that’s all! Thoughts my neary’s?

absolutely !

who the fk was Golovkin... ?

***wit Golovkin fans rolled out the red carpet for him

FACT: Golovkin had done nothing to step in front of Martinez money-fight with Cotto... and guess what... HE STILL HASN'T, Cotto would still get that fight ahead of Golovkin today lol

entitled Golovkin fans, rolled out the red carpet for their entitled hero

and they did the same thing with Canelo

who the fk was Golovkin to demand that a superstar hand him any kind of advantage?

FACT: Canelo and Golovkin BOTH wanted that fight at their own weight...

... Canelo was the superstar, and Golovkin was unwilling to compromise... when Golovkin refused that fight at catchweight, he resigned himself to wait until Canelo moved up...

... Golovkin fans had NO reason to feel more entitled than that

... not then, and not now

[boliodogs]

So called proof coming from you, the world's biggest GGG hater is the same as no proof at all. Martnnez ducked GGG and Cotto ducked him and anyone paying attention and reading boxing scene top headlines knows it. They both had a piece of the title and GGG tried to get a unification fight with Martinez and then with Cotto but neither of them wanted to fight GGG. That is the truth and all your ridiculous over the top hate for GGG won't change it. They were wise not to fight GGG because he would easily have KOed both of them. Martinez was KOed by Margarito and Cotto. Martinez had to get off the floor to win a home country decision over Murray in Argentina. Then two years later GGG won every round from Murray and knocked him out. GGG is a vastly superior middleweight than Martinez and Cotto. He tried to fight both of them and was DUCKED so here comes hater boy to try to rewrite history to suit his GGG hating agenda.

[_Maxi]

When Sergio was active he stated on the record Golovkin was "off the charts" skill wise and then elected to face Murray and Cotto.

That was right after he retired. Around 2015/2016.

[boliodogs]

absolutely !

who the fk was Golovkin... ?

***wit Golovkin fans rolled out the red carpet for him

FACT: Golovkin had done nothing to step in front of Martinez money-fight with Cotto... and guess what... HE STILL HASN'T, Cotto would still get that fight ahead of Golovkin today lol

entitled Golovkin fans, rolled out the red carpet for their entitled hero

and they did the same thing with Canelo

who the fk was Golovkin to demand that a superstar hand him any kind of advantage?

FACT: Canelo and Golovkin BOTH wanted that fight at their own weight...

... Canelo was the superstar, and Golovkin was unwilling to compromise... when Golovkin refused that fight at catchweight, he resigned himself to wait until Canelo moved up...

... Golovkin fans had NO reason to feel more entitled than that

... not then, and not now

When it comes to unreasonable, illogical insane hate for GGG you are a close second to John and everything you say about him is just lies and BS the same as John. You and John and Unkle AL verez should start an I hate GGG club. john could be the president.

[aboutfkntime]

OP can't admit he hates GGG but let's him live rent free in his head.

I wonder how many threads hell start today about GGG?

No one took a risk on GGG because the risk FAR outweighed the reward which fits the correct narrative that no one wanted GGG from 2012-2016. Anyone who was a champion or contender lost with ease.

Look at the champions of 2012

WBC Sergio
IBF/WBA Gaele
WBO Hassan/Quillin

Triangle theory doesnt always work but GGG himself KOed 2 of those guys. Cotto took out Sergio and Jacob's KOed Quillin.

GGG would have a very good chance against Sergio and that wasnt a risk Sergio wanted or was going to take.

GGG did better in common opposition getting rid of them faster and with greater ease.

Martinez got KD against lesser opposition and against guys with less power than GGG.

Now is it a duck? Does it quack?

what gives a pimply little ***wit like you... the right to put words into a PROVEN fighters mouth?

entitled ***wit fans... of a entitled ***wit fighter

FACT: Golovkin had done nothing to step in front of Martinez money-fight with Cotto

FACT: Martinez agreed with HBO to fight Golovkin next, if he got past Cotto

the reason why most people hate Golovkin fans... is because they rolled out the red carpet for a undeserved hypejob, insisting that superstars should drop everything just because it suits Golovkin

look, your comment actually applies to Erislandy Lara...

GGG would have a very good chance against Sergio and that wasnt a risk Sergio wanted or was going to take.

Lara would have a very good chance against Golovkin and that wasnt a risk GGG wanted or was going to take.

[aboutfkntime]

When it comes to unreasonable, illogical insane hate for GGG you are a close second to John and everything you say about him is just lies and BS the same as John. You and John and Unkle AL verez should start an I hate GGG club. john could be the president.

stop crying biatch...

... either, I stated something that was untrue... or, you forgot to correct me...

... which one is it... ?

[creekrat77]

He was asked. But but that in no way means that Golovkin or his team asked for a fight vs Sergio Martinez. That’s like if you ask Canelo about bjs and he admits he’s good but already has a fight lined up with someone else. Admitting he’s good dosnt bind him or insinuate that they’re in the process of negotiating.

Did Golovkin duck Cotto and Chavez too? I agree that Golovkin's team was incompetent and took too many liberties with passing up on opportunities he could have capitalized on. It reminds me of Wilder's management. I always thought they should have been a lot more active in getting a Wlad, Haye or maybe even a Vitali fight. I understand that like Sergio and those other guys I mentioned, they may not have been receptive to facing a hot, up and coming fighter. Still I'm sure there was a lot more that could have been done if each side stepped out of their comfort zone and capitulated to a deal the other side would accept.

[JohnCastellanos]

Maravilla was extremely hard done to by the sanction orgs. He wasn't the dude they wanted, wasn't with a big promotion, didn't have a huge fanbase and was already the wrong side of 35.

...However, if you're a fan of Mexican fighters you might want to consider the primary beneficiary of the WBC stripping Sergio at 160 back in 2011 or so was Chavez Jr.... just sayin. The WBC blamed it on HBO but you wouldn't have to try hard to convince me it was more than a coincidence Sergios belt ended up round a Mexican waist. Furthermore of course Canelo himself fought a career Welter for the 154 belt that came from Sergio via Pacquaio. That's a strap that'd been stripped and then vacated, man, or possibly even stripped twice depending on how you take the Pacquiao thing. What you reckon Sergio would have said about that?

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=461246

Maravilla's WBO belt of course had been earmarked by Varcarcel for rising Haymon star Danny Jacobs but the applecart was upset by an unheralded Russian by the name of Dmitry Pirog.

Yeah your absolutely right Sergio was against that and back then he must have considered Canelo and Golovkin paper champs and Canelo specifically a privaleged kid just Chavez JR. But it really comes down to how you feel about that. Canelo was about 18 or 19 years old and was still learning on the job, sure he had been a pro for 4 years but he needed to be brought along and taught at a learners pace in contrast Golovkin had this monster reputation from the ametures and was about 28 and was fighting absolute bums for vacant interim belts. Do you realize that was the the interim title to the vacant regular fake belt?