P4P: A Lesson in Boxing History, Chapter 2

[Combat Talk Radio]

In our previous lesson, we saw an example of Mike Tyson where at the same number of fights, it simply wasn't close. Mike Tyson at 35 fights was a CLEAR P4P level fighter, Crawford's resume is pathetic in comparison. Undisputed.

This time, we'll look at Floyd Mayweather Jr. and I'll save you the background, because it wouldn't be fair.

Below is a diorama of the various world champions that Floyd Mayweather beat, back to back, starting with Sharmba Mitchell, Floyd Mayweather's 35th fight.

This fight was important, because it was where Floyd's body started to break down on him. After this, he would no longer be able to stop guys nearly as easy. Hatton basically stopped himself and Victor Ortiz might as well have quit. He was forced to adapt his style to just outbox his opponents.

But his fights prior to and including Sharmba Mitchell are the subject of this discussion.

Prior to Sharmba, Floyd had dominated at least 5 top tier challengers. Everyone agrees that 1998 - 2005 was the best Floyd Mayweather, and was a showcase of skill. Castillo and Corrales alone were two of the best at the time and remain two of the best in history.

Given the data points above and the diagram below (again, these are BACK TO BACK victories from when Floyd was NOT a knockout artist). I will ask you, NSB.

Given Floyd's resume by his 35th fight compared to Crawford's by his 35th fight...what justifies Crawford as #1 P4P?

[Fat_asian]

In our previous lesson, we saw an example of Mike Tyson where at the same number of fights, it simply wasn't close. Mike Tyson at 35 fights was a CLEAR P4P level fighter, Crawford's resume is pathetic in comparison. Undisputed.

This time, we'll look at Floyd Mayweather Jr. and I'll save you the background, because it wouldn't be fair.

Below is a diorama of the various world champions that Floyd Mayweather beat, back to back, starting with Sharmba Mitchell, Floyd Mayweather's 35th fight.

This fight was important, because it was where Floyd's body started to break down on him. After this, he would no longer be able to stop guys nearly as easy. Hatton basically stopped himself and Victor Ortiz might as well have quit. He was forced to adapt his style to just outbox his opponents.

But his fights prior to and including Sharmba Mitchell are the subject of this discussion.

Prior to Sharmba, Floyd had dominated at least 5 top tier challengers. Everyone agrees that 1998 - 2005 was the best Floyd Mayweather, and was a showcase of skill. Castillo and Corrales alone were two of the best at the time and remain two of the best in history.

Given the data points above and the diagram below (again, these are BACK TO BACK victories from when Floyd was NOT a knockout artist). I will ask you, NSB.

Given Floyd's resume by his 35th fight compared to Crawford's by his 35th fight...what justifies Crawford as #1 P4P?

Ibelieve that even as far back as angel manfreddy was his first great fight. Not all were after, some were duds, but the great factor kicked in again like you said about those times you listed

[Combat Talk Radio]

Ibelieve that even as far back as angel manfreddy was his first great fight. Not all were after, some were duds, but the great factor kicked in again like you said about those times you listed

While early Floyd was skilled, the truth is that his "threat" challenges really started in the late 90s, after he'd won titles. But more impressive was always that he chose to fight top names. With the possible exception of Baldomir, he didn't go after easy lineal. He had very few "nobody" names from 98 onward.

Compare that with Crawford where all but 10 or so were complete unknowns.