If Wilder had lost to Sconiers..

[JakeTheBoxer]

...would he ever have been able to come back, move forward, and get any world level fights?

I mean, people are trashing Wladimir for losing to Puritty in 25th fight, but Wilder was not far away from losing to a complete journeyman in 13th fight.

[DaNeutral.]

Yes and it would of done him a bit of good too. This was before his ridiculous ego days, he was still brash but there's nothing wrong with that in sport, especially this one.

It likely would of opened his eyes to the frailties in his game and pushed him to improve as a Boxer and be a better fighter today.

Look how the Ruiz loss woke Joshua up to a few facts, mainly his bulk. While your winning you run the risk of ignoring the warning signs even when your own team are trying to tell you.

Or Wilder may of just blamed it on the ref and magic and sore arms and baby oil. But I suspect the pre super ego Wilder may of been a bit more likely to listen if he'd been beat by Harold.

[REDEEMER]

Wilder would have never been champion then, here’s why .

Had he suffered the loss his team really hold him back more then they already did waiting for loop holes to sneak in a title shot ,this would have taking him out of ranking contention at the 2015 time in a 2010/2011 loss , you had Pulev, Povetkin ,Klitschko brothers as well as a Fury lurking around during the 2010 periods still so,


AJ would have emerged or a Fury grabbing the WBC belt before Wilder gets his footing , Wilder doesn’t become champion if he does not get it in 2015 . The event of a loss also takes away his confidence he built up for years bf even stepping up in current reality so? There’s a few things going against him and wouldn’t be in position to plan out opponents,he’d have more threats getting a title shot to get by other then Malik Scott and Gavern by then had the loss occurred while in his early stages .

[JakeTheBoxer]

I remember Mike Jones at 147 sometimes. he was with Top rank, top 10 welterweight. Well, Bailey finished his career with a big KO.

[Nash out]

I remember Mike Jones at 147 sometimes. he was with Top rank, top 10 welterweight. Well, Bailey finished his career with a big KO.

I remember watching that and he had that fight in the bag, but the crowd weren't entertained by it and that seemed to pressure him to try and get the KO, but it backfired, that's how I remember it anyway, last round I think. He was a big name at the time and that was pretty much the end of him.

Bailey was a massive puncher, and I think sometimes as a boxer you have to think f the crowd and just do what you have to do to win in a fight like that.

[BangEM]

He would've been another Seth Mitchell.

[Eff Pandas]

In a alternate reality I tend to think he'd have rematched & beat him & kept it moving much like he moved in reality. They kept a safe road with him for a long time. A early L wouldn't have changed much as Wilder was still an Olympian so he'd have a lil more room for error than other prospects & not just cashed out upon a surprise L like many prospects are when they lose their 0.

[Get em up]

Yes and it would of done him a bit of good too. This was before his ridiculous ego days, he was still brash but there's nothing wrong with that in sport, especially this one.

It likely would of opened his eyes to the frailties in his game and pushed him to improve as a Boxer and be a better fighter today.

Look how the Ruiz loss woke Joshua up to a few facts, mainly his bulk. While your winning you run the risk of ignoring the warning signs even when your own team are trying to tell you.

Or Wilder may of just blamed it on the ref and magic and sore arms and baby oil. But I suspect the pre super ego Wilder may of been a bit more likely to listen if he'd been beat by Harold.

This is the most likely scenario of all the posts. A early loss would've probably tempted him to go a different route and hone certain attributes he has as an athletic person. He naturally has a certain skill set that he could've sharpened in his 20's that would've made him alot more dangerous today.

[Eff Pandas]

This is the most likely scenario of all the posts. A early loss would've probably tempted him to go a different route and hone certain attributes he has as an athletic person. He naturally has a certain skill set that he could've sharpened in his 20's that would've made him alot more dangerous today.

The guy was 42-0-1 (41) with 10 successful title defenses ffs before his first loss. It'd be hard to have done better than that even if he had better skills. The Wilder story was/is one of success whatever you think of his skills. I highly doubt an early L would have gotten him to surpass what he achieved. I'd bet the KD itself got Wilder to focus & improve to the level he reached.

[Get em up]

The guy was 42-0-1 (41) with 10 successful title defenses ffs before his first loss. It'd be hard to have done better than that even if he had better skills. The Wilder story was/is one of success whatever you think of his skills. I highly doubt an early L would have gotten him to surpass what he achieved. I'd bet the KD itself got Wilder to focus & improve to the level he reached.

Trust me I'm not disagreeing whatsoever that it would be hard to achieve anything more than he already has. I'm a Wilder fan through and through. I think his story is more than an inspiration to anybody with a soul. His reasons behind becoming a boxer is awesome if you ask me. I do feel like he has attributes that could be capitalized on like a good solid knockout type jab and a side step left hook instead of just focusing on the right hand. If he had of lost early on then focused a little more on stuff like that I think the top tier guys couldn't touch him right.