Comments Thread For: Ali Salaam, Tony Harrison's Father & Trainer, Dies From COVID-19

[Angeljuice]

By the way 18,000 people haven't died in the UK of covid in total. Stop lying and acting like it's a disaster. Flu kills more than this thing. You don't go around panicking like this over it though. 8,000 is also quite poor for such xa supposedly deadly disease.

8,000 extra deaths last week (you are the one denying the evidence). There is a news item right now reiterating it.
Corona deaths are underreported in the UK as people who haven't been tested but had the symptoms are not registered as COVID19 deaths.

We also don't publish the number of deaths from Coronavirus that happen outside of hospitals (such as care homes) which adds thousands to the body-count.

8,000 extra UK deaths in a week (official figures).

[Lonelystoner]

I wonder how Terence Crawford feels about this

[BoloShot]

8,000 extra deaths last week (you are the one denying the evidence). There is a news item right now reiterating it.
Corona deaths are underreported in the UK as people who haven't been tested but had the symptoms are not registered as COVID19 deaths.

We also don't publish the number of deaths from Coronavirus that happen outside of hospitals (such as care homes) which adds thousands to the body-count.

8,000 extra UK deaths in a week (official figures).

I didn't say that isn't the case. I'm saying that's not a lot of deaths for a supposedly lethal disease with such infectiousness. Still has a very low mortality rate. Can't deny that. Also you're lying that covid deaths aren't being logged, that is entirely speculation on some fearmongering journos part. Remember that anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. You need proof. Deaths are being overreported, not underreported. That is total bull****, no study could verify that's the case either so I don't know how you think anything official has deemed that. I just checked your supposed 8,000 deaths in a week too, that's not right. In 11 days the number has risen 6,500 or so. So you're overestimating quite a bit based on a claim that hasn't been verified, only suggested, you're thinking that there are 40% more covid deaths than reported? I call bull****. That's fearmongering right there. That's deliberately trying to stoke fear. And I don't know why you're going out of your way to make things seem so much worse than they are. What's your vested interest in making things seem so terrible? So what old people are dying of it, they die of ****ing everything that comes along, they're old ffs, their time is coming no matter what. The flu would do the same to them except the flu is worse because it can kill otherwise healthy young people too. Don't see you having a fit over that. Go get tb and tell me how that's so much better than covid, that kills millions a year. Maybe try malaria, that tops a few hundred thousand. Get a grip.

[Angeljuice]

I didn't say that isn't the case. I'm saying that's not a lot of deaths for a supposedly lethal disease with such infectiousness. Still has a very low mortality rate. Can't deny that. Also you're lying that covid deaths aren't being logged, that is entirely speculation on some fearmongering journos part. Remember that anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. You need proof. Deaths are being overreported, not underreported. That is total bull****, no study could verify that's the case either so I don't know how you think anything official has deemed that.

I'm sorry but in the UK the deaths are underreported, the government admits this as they don't release care home and out of hospital deaths.

The stated deaths come from the government who say it is only CONFIRMED CASES. The government themselves admit that they are underreporting the deaths. It would be absolutely impossible to overreport deaths when only confirmed cases in hospitals are counted.
You don't need a study to understand that it isn't possible.

I can't speak of America, I'm not from America.

8,000 extra deaths is after a strict lockdown, without it the figures would soar.
Almost doubling your national weekly death rate is very significant and the biggest strain is on the hospital's who can't cope with the influx of patients in ICU's.

In Italy and Spain, people were being left to die in corridors and the more it spread the worse it got.

It isn't that the virus is super deadly, it isn't as deadly as the SARS or MERS coronavirus', but it spreads far more easily and over runs healthcare systems, which is the biggest threat.

The whole world has been put on hold, all nations, democracies, dictatorships, communist nations have all come to a halt. That would be impossible to organise by design but the fact that it has happened says something extremely poignant about the risks.

Countries don't bankrupt themselves for fun.

[asgarth]

Glad to see someone who is not buying into the lies. Some more info for you...in the US there have been fewer total deaths from all causes than in 2019. That tells me that having Covid isn't increasing deaths, perhaps getting the blame that would have been put on flu, pneuomonia, natural causes in the past. Here are the sites:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/p...nal-tables.htm

Your second source for the 2020 numbers states:

NOTE: Number of deaths reported in this table are the total number of deaths received and coded as of the date of analysis and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that period.

*Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction, age, and cause of death.

and

Note: Provisional death counts are based on death certificate data received and coded by the National Center for Health Statistics as of April 20, 2020. Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources (see Technical Notes). Counts will be updated periodically. Additional information will be added to this site as available.


The table currently has 15k deaths for Corona-related deaths. The current (official) numbers for Corona-related deaths in the USA are 42k currently though.

[xxlefthookxx]

****** comment. The virus didn't reach America until February/March, but let's count from when it was only in China, why not?

Ignorance kills, RIP.

And ignorance also en******. March deaths in 2019 were higher than in March 2020. Too many act like Covid is black plague--someone walks past you with it and you die---which is ridiculous. It is spread by prolonged close contact indoors. Hugging at funerals. Snuggling with your sick child. Sneezing on granny. So why shut down parks, beaches, etc.? I am all for people finally using hand sanitizer, and I don't mind them wearing masks...but don't shut down the world for what has proven to be lunacy.

[xxlefthookxx]

Anglejuice is genuinely saying that CDC stats are lying. This ****er is totally insane. I wonder if the government told him to jump off a cliff to cure cancer, he'd do it? (That question is entirely rhetorical, we all know the answer, which is yes he absolutely would the f()cking ret@ard he is).

Quite possible. Many people watch the news, listen to friends...but do no research on their own. That is how the media herds them into their pens....

[xxlefthookxx]

8,000 extra deaths last week (you are the one denying the evidence). There is a news item right now reiterating it.
Corona deaths are underreported in the UK as people who haven't been tested but had the symptoms are not registered as COVID19 deaths.

We also don't publish the number of deaths from Coronavirus that happen outside of hospitals (such as care homes) which adds thousands to the body-count.

8,000 extra UK deaths in a week (official figures).

8000 more deaths, 6213 mentioned covid on the death certificate. It was certainly a bad week, but deaths ytd are still lower than they were in the bad flu year of 2018----when nobody had to social distance, lock themselves inside, and avoid contact with the human world. Oh..and crash the economy and leave millions without jobs.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

[xxlefthookxx]

Your second source for the 2020 numbers states:

NOTE: Number of deaths reported in this table are the total number of deaths received and coded as of the date of analysis and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that period.

*Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction, age, and cause of death.

and

Note: Provisional death counts are based on death certificate data received and coded by the National Center for Health Statistics as of April 20, 2020. Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources (see Technical Notes). Counts will be updated periodically. Additional information will be added to this site as available.


The table currently has 15k deaths for Corona-related deaths. The current (official) numbers for Corona-related deaths in the USA are 42k currently though.

Glad you read the link. I did not include April in the calculations. The avg deaths per week in 2019 were about 54,400. Note that most weeks are below that. Those that are higher are pre-March, when flu/pneumonia was doing the damage but not getting the headlines. Go to the link from week to week as the deaths are updated and you will not see a significant change in completely reported weeks.

[BoloShot]

Quite possible. Many people watch the news, listen to friends...but do no research on their own. That is how the media herds them into their pens....

Dude he thinks this is so much worse based entirely on speculation that directly contradicts what government agencies and medical professionals are stating. I think he wants this to be worse than it is, he seems to thrive on the panic. I've never encountered someone so deadset on making the worst of an already bad enough situation.