Crawford-Charlo

[Citizen Koba]

I truly enjoy watching Crawford fight, but I think he's a bit too hyped imo, and that's expected because his legacy revolves around Top Rank and they're the masters at doing this by design.

Forget about Jermall, I said in ''particular,'' Jermell - and moreso because he's the one beefing and still at 154 and smaller of the twins. Jermell can crack. As much as I honestly believe that these guys are too metrosexual (and perhaps not gay as I troll them to be), they are VERY GOOD boxers. The sparring they've done with Lara or Spence has given them really good experience.

Crawford gets seriously hurt against Jermell.

Hyped, IDK... I like the dude cos he likes Chess and Dogs like me, but he really does need to get some more names on his ledger.

I do think he's got more flexibility than either Charlo or Spence though, although I respect all of 'em as fighters. Just wish all the bullchit politics didn't get in the way.

[Chollo Vista]

They’re beefing on social media.

Who do you have in this fight?

I have Crawford by wide decision but I think it would be a huge fight. I would love to see it. It’s a much more appealing 154 championship bid for crawford than the Texeira fight.

Charlo would KO him early

Do you have screenshots of the beef?

[UNBANNED]

I would almost just assume Jermell is too big

Ofcourse a PBC fighter is choosing to beef with fighters from lower weight classes. Its what they do.

Neither Charlo would take the fight at 154 though.

Crawford wins a UD versus either

[UNBANNED]

Hyped, IDK... I like the dude cos he likes Chess and Dogs like me, but he really does need to get some more names on his ledger.

I do think he's got more flexibility than either Charlo or Spence though, although I respect all of 'em as fighters. Just wish all the bullchit politics didn't get in the way.

This is fascinating and tells a LOT about boxing fans and perception

With GGG - who was offered every fight he wanted - at catchweights and even on short notice but ALL of his potential opponents are accused of ducking. Even by white supremacist Breadman...it was NEVER GGGs fault always his opponents

With Crawford hes a 3 division champ and cant get a fight with ANYONE. Hes not offered catchweights or fights on short notice or fights at higher or lower weights. Yet for Crawford the issue is "boxing politics".

So if someone doesn't fight GGG they ducked...even if they DID offer the fight at a CW (Canelo, Cotto). With Crawford though it's never ducking and always boxing "politics".

[Citizen Koba]

This is fascinating and tells a LOT about boxing fans and perception

With GGG - who was offered every fight he wanted - at catchweights and even on short notice but ALL of his potential opponents are accused of ducking. Even by white supremacist Breadman...it was NEVER GGGs fault always his opponents

With Crawford hes a 3 division champ and cant get a fight with ANYONE. Hes not offered catchweights or fights on short notice or fights at higher or lower weights. Yet for Crawford the issue is "boxing politics".

So if someone doesn't fight GGG they ducked...even if they DID offer the fight at a CW (Canelo, Cotto). With Crawford though it's never ducking and always boxing "politics".

I don't accuse Golovkin's opponents of ducking... In fact I never really accuse anyone of ducking anyone... mmm except maybe Sturm - and surely not Maravilla, Cotto or Canelo all of whom had more lucrative options in each other than in fighting GGG - but also don't believe Golovkin ducked them either. Biggest crticism I got for GGG is just the last few since he's been free of the HBO pursestrings, Rolls for instance and Szeremata if that gets made.

Way I look at the world all these fighters are willing to fight each other if the price is right but crap like budgets and network politics are what determine if fights actually get made or not. Far as I'm concerned all this ****** talk about dudes ducking and being afraid of each other is just kinda fanboy nonsense... that just ain't how the real world works.

I'll never criticise a guy for trying to make the most lucrative option available at any given moment cos they never know what's round the corner and I'll never criticise a guy for not taking a catchweight that he feels might compromise him - dudes health on the line after all and only he knows how it'll effect him.

Ach... ****it, I'll just copy paste this:

Jesus christ. Honestly when will folk learn?

First problem with all these ducking scenarios is that if you got any standards and any consistency you gotta apply them across the board, and not just to the fighters you like or dislike. You wanna say some fighter ducked your guy better get ready to get that ish back tenfold.

Secondly, you need to come up with a standardised definition... what exactly makes it a 'duck', when is one side 'lowballing' or another overpricing themselves..? Without an absolutely clearly defined set of standards any discussion on who's avoiding who just devolves into subjective nonsense.

Ok... so what you figure in the end - if you follow the argument through to it's logical conclusion - is ulimately you pretty much got to say all fighters are ducking someone at some point in their careers cos there's is always gonna be more fights and fighters available to make than there is time or opportunity to make 'em, or (... and this is the route I chose to take when I figured all this out some years ago), you can simply recognise that the whole concept is pretty arbitrary and subjective and just not use it at all, and in fact rubbish it conceptually at every opportunity.

Better all round I think if the concept of ducking is just done away with altogether.

That said, if you are gonna go that route at least have some standards...

For me NO fighter is ever obliged to fight another anyway, except in the cases of required (mandatory) defenses of a title. This, to me, rules out calling someone a 'duck' for anything other than refusing a title defense or similar demanded by a recognised sanctioning org. If you're using their title to enhance your name and reputation and earning power then you have the obligation to jump through the hoops. If you don't want to make the defense, then just drop the damn belt.

Secondly NO fighter should ever be expected or required to go into a fight at other than their optimum weight or compromised in any way outside of the accepted standardised and sanctioned weightclasses ie... refusing a catchweight is NEVER a legitimate reason to criticise a fighter. Compromising yourself is a matter of health and safety and possibly literally life and death. By all means applaud a fighter for making a compromise or sacrifice on weight if you like, but they are never at fault for choosing not to. Same goes for inter-weightclass fights or going into a fight without proper preparation or compromised by illness... although, if a fighter does choose to go ahead with a fight in knowledge that they are compromised in some way they pretty much forgo the right to complain about it after the event.

Thirdly, yes it's the fight game but first and foremost it's prizefighting... these dudes are putting their health and even their lives on the line for financial recompense. No fighter can EVER be accused of 'ducking' when they take, or attempt to make, a more lucrative fight over a less lucrative one, nor can it ever be logically infered that making such a choice indicates a refusal to or unwillingness to fight the less lucrative opponent.


These are just some straightforward, consistent, logical prinicples that can be applied to every fighter and every situation. There's plenty of others that could be devised and as long as you apply 'em consistently whether you like a fighter or not I can't see that folk should have a problem, but far as I'm concerned it's better to just not use the term at all. Mostly we don't even know enough of the facts behind the scenes to make a properly considered judgement anyway.

[Thuglife Nelo]

This is fascinating and tells a LOT about boxing fans and perception

With GGG - who was offered every fight he wanted - at catchweights and even on short notice but ALL of his potential opponents are accused of ducking. Even by white supremacist Breadman...it was NEVER GGGs fault always his opponents

With Crawford hes a 3 division champ and cant get a fight with ANYONE. Hes not offered catchweights or fights on short notice or fights at higher or lower weights. Yet for Crawford the issue is "boxing politics".

So if someone doesn't fight GGG they ducked...even if they DID offer the fight at a CW (Canelo, Cotto). With Crawford though it's never ducking and always boxing "politics".

GGG can never do anything wrong. You've got fighters actually moving in weights TO GET FIGHTS and then you've got fighters clout chasing weights that are ''easy'' but expects them to ALL go to him. GGG is the most glorified hype since who knows when. It's a good thing Lomachenko never spoke that way. The guy just does it and keeps it moving. a lot of GGG diehards are just Ward-hater bandwagoners. Sturm or Maravilla who gives a fook bringing them up or another elites coming from 154 whom were destined to the GGG narrative but the guy is waived for any theory above 160+. GGG vs Ward was uncanny.

[Curt Henning]

i dont know who started this whole social media war/beef between these two...i dont care really

but i have a hard time beliving crawford...he just talks.....they talked about porter until porters dad said to call them...then they changed their tune real quick....they may talk about 154 but theyll be looking at pat texeira....

[Pigeons]

Nah, Crawford can't be fighting guys that started at 154.

[Nay_Sayer]

Ofcourse a PBC fighter is choosing to beef with fighters from lower weight classes. Its what they do.

Crawford Davis?

[EDDIE SPERM]

They’re beefing on social media.

Who do you have in this fight?

I have Crawford by wide decision but I think it would be a huge fight. I would love to see it. It’s a much more appealing 154 championship bid for crawford than the Texeira fight.

Jermell would incapacitate DUD Crawford