ISHE SMITH going hard on the LDBC on Twitter lol

[MulaKO]

Boxingego used to be a regular invitee on DontaesBoxingNation back in 2016. He wasn’t originally LDBC. Those guys came after. Boxing Ego basically pulled most of Dontaes Boxing Nation‘s following. Once upon a time they were neutral. When Boxing got to about 80k, he saw the benefits of the youtube formula and which topics the fans gravitated to the most. He used to be a Canelo fan too. Most YouTube boxing fans are African American, Mixed, mixed-UK, and Mexican. The videos that go against Canelo are typically the black fans (including Bruce Vane), Goodfella Sports (Non-LDBC), Shawn Newton, Ring IQ) - hence “mixed” and even UK fans.

So anybody who’s against Canelo is pretty much LDBC
Is it like their focus point cause he’s the biggest name in boxing at the moment ?

[Thuglife Nelo]

So anybody who’s against Canelo is pretty much LDBC
Is it like their focus point cause he’s the biggest name in boxing at the moment ?

Well there's actually black fight fans that appreciate Canelo and don't fall into the LDBC hype. That's typically black fight fans that actually train as hobby or spar. Same as why most professionals, trainers, TMT gym, Haney, Davis, Lopez, Lopez, Munguia, Vergil Ortiz, all the youngies say Canelo is #1. Is it because all these young guys have no clue when seeing Canelo's ability to what they've learned themselves? The Mayweathers always praise Canelo. If Canelo was all hype and given ''gifts'' no real pro or industry would acknowledge Canelo. Canelo's ability is real. The industry generation that grew on Pac acknowledge this, because in Pac's time there was no advanced drug testing, so there's leniancy and benefit of doubt for Canelo. That's simly how they see it. YOu still have to perform in the ring.

[MulaKO]

Well there's actually black fight fans that appreciate Canelo and don't fall into the LDBC hype. That's typically black fight fans that actually train as hobby or spar. Same as why most professionals, trainers, TMT gym, Haney, Davis, Lopez, Lopez, Munguia, Vergil Ortiz, all the youngies say Canelo is #1. Is it because all these young guys have no clue when seeing Canelo's ability to what they've learned themselves? The Mayweathers always praise Canelo. If Canelo was all hype and given ''gifts'' no real pro or industry would acknowledge Canelo. Canelo's ability is real. The industry generation that grew on Pac acknowledge this, because in Pac's time there was no advanced drug testing, so there's leniancy and benefit of doubt for Canelo. That's simly how they see it. YOu still have to perform in the ring.

Yeah that makes quite a lot of sense
I always liked Canelo and anyone who enjoys this sport has to see that cinnamon is something special
I for one have been critical of who he’s fighting and for the obvious reasons
But I have also came to accept the change of times which makes boxing a sport but also a business
That’s what he has picked up from Floyd , in more ways than one
Even the doping and everything doesn’t really bug me in his case cause I didn’t see it as such an advantage what he did but then again I believe every boxer is doping , it just takes brains and money to stay ahead of the game

[Thuglife Nelo]

Yeah that makes quite a lot of sense
I always liked Canelo and anyone who enjoys this sport has to see that cinnamon is something special
I for one have been critical of who he’s fighting and for the obvious reasons
But I have also came to accept the change of times which makes boxing a sport but also a business
That’s what he has picked up from Floyd , in more ways than one
Even the doping and everything doesn’t really bug me in his case cause I didn’t see it as such an advantage what he did but then again I believe every boxer is doping , it just takes brains and money to stay ahead of the game

I agree to some extent. There's a LOOPHOLE with dietary supplements. Athletes should be allowed to use supplements, and many use supplements at their own risk because cross contamination is a problem and a REAL THING. This is whyWADA doesn't acknowledge supplement use.

If you're trying to get specific extracts from exotic food sources with a mix of some particular veggies + specific amino acids, fats (Omega-3), a lot of that is hard to come by, like imports, time. most athletes aren't managing their time for such heavy responsibilty. So, what's the alternative? Supplements!!! The convenience of manufacturing all these options and possibilites in a vile vs all the hard work in making it yourself. The unfortunate world for this is that these same manufacturers make illegal drugs for performance as well (on the down low) or LEGIT.

Fans don't realize that there's also this market and the pharmaceutical industry. Most PEDS are ALL derivatives from the pharmaceutical world since many drugs on the banned substance list were initially used and STILL TO THIS DAY treat people in hospitals and those with illnesses. The dark market figured they could use medical industry formulas and sell it within professional sports for recovery or the abuse for gains.

My personal theory is this: the WBC has been knowing for a long time meat contamination with clen. Margaret Goodman acknowledged this herself! I have the source. Fans say, ''why havent other mexican boxers popped'' yet they don't realize the thousands in Mexico arent doing advanced drug testing or VADA, so how fans even know? That goes for Russia and China. Again, Goodman's own words. Remember that Canelo was refusing the WBC belt ''disrespectfully'' and publicly. Why do fans not see that Sulaiman wouldnt be offended by that? The WBC is the most iconic accomplishment in Mexico.

Therefore, the Mexican star going against it? That's when the WBC simply disclosed a trace for what they already knew in Mexican boxing. That's not a conspiracy, but the right for Sulaiman to hit back, exploiting what the public doesnt know. That was merely a personal grudge between Sulaiman and Canelo. Remember that Canelo didn't even want Sulaiman at the early press conferences for his fights before GGG? These are obvious clues...lol... ''but but the WBC is corrupt'' somehow doesn't validate that Sulaiman could do such a thing.

[MulaKO]

I agree to some extent. There's a LOOPHOLE with dietary supplements. Athletes should be allowed to use supplements, and many use supplements at their own risk because cross contamination is a problem and a REAL THING. This is whyWADA doesn't acknowledge supplement use.

If you're trying to get specific extracts from exotic food sources with a mix of some particular veggies + specific amino acids, fats (Omega-3), a lot of that is hard to come by, like imports, time. most athletes aren't managing their time for such heavy responsibilty. So, what's the alternative? Supplements!!! The convenience of manufacturing all these options and possibilites in a vile vs all the hard work in making it yourself. The unfortunate world for this is that these same manufacturers make illegal drugs for performance as well (on the down low) or LEGIT.

Fans don't realize that there's also this market and the pharmaceutical industry. Most PEDS are ALL derivatives from the pharmaceutical world since many drugs on the banned substance list were initially used and STILL TO THIS DAY treat people in hospitals and those with illnesses. The dark market figured they could use medical industry formulas and sell it within professional sports for recovery or the abuse for gains.

My personal theory is this: the WBC has been knowing for a long time meat contamination with clen. Margaret Goodman acknowledged this herself! I have the source. Fans say, ''why havent other mexican boxers popped'' yet they don't realize the thousands in Mexico arent doing advanced drug testing or VADA, so how fans even know? That goes for Russia and China. Again, Goodman's own words. Remember that Canelo was refusing the WBC belt ''disrespectfully'' and publicly. Why do fans not see that Sulaiman wouldnt be offended by that? The WBC is the most iconic accomplishment in Mexico.

Therefore, the Mexican star going against it? That's when the WBC simply disclosed a trace for what they already knew in Mexican boxing. That's not a conspiracy, but the right for Sulaiman to hit back, exploiting what the public doesnt know. That was merely a personal grudge between Sulaiman and Canelo. Remember that Canelo didn't even want Sulaiman at the early press conferences for his fights before GGG? These are obvious clues...lol... ''but but the WBC is corrupt'' somehow doesn't validate that Sulaiman could do such a thing.

Well said
Honestly ,if I had a vote or say , I would allow boxers to take peds and all
At least at that point everyone is on the same wave , no more of this back and forth bullchit arguing
The only reason it doesn’t happen is because a lot of big corporations and influential people have much to lose
I’ve been saying since I was young that weed should be legalized and it happened
Mark my words , the next one is *******
Already in many places around the world your aloud a certain amount as personal
This to say that the most famous war , the war on drugs , has not brought anything but headaches and financial ruin
Same thing should apply to peds and it will happen
It’s not a war that anyone can win , it’s just a matter of time , believe me

[Thuglife Nelo]

Well said
Honestly ,if I had a vote or say , I would allow boxers to take peds and all
At least at that point everyone is on the same wave , no more of this back and forth bullchit arguing
The only reason it doesn’t happen is because a lot of big corporations and influential people have much to lose
I’ve been saying since I was young that weed should be legalized and it happened
Mark my words , the next one is *******
Already in many places around the world your aloud a certain amount as personal
This to say that the most famous war , the war on drugs , has not brought anything but headaches and financial ruin
Same thing should apply to peds and it will happen
It’s not a war that anyone can win , it’s just a matter of time , believe me

NO no no. There's some truth with what you say, as its done in general practice, but that's why CUTOFF dates exist.

The CONCEPT for cutoff dates originates from MRPL (MINIMUM REQUIRED PERFORMANCE LEVELS) from a banned substance AND the TIME the adverse analytical finding.

Since BOXING can't FORCE or know whom is taking what, since not all even have a biological passport, what was created was the CUTOFF DATE enrollment.

It basically means, ''we dont care to know whats in you before enrollment, but once you enroll, strict liability for all, and thus, the CLOSER to the ring date the more harsh the penalty.''

In recent, Usyk enrolled as late as 23 days before his fight. I remember VADA tweeting that to welcome... Yet, other fights have done 30, 45, 60, 90, 120 days enrollment cutoff. Does that make any sense? Why didn't Usyk enroll at the 45 or 90 option mark like other fights? For example lets say Mikey vs Spence at 90 days out.

All these inconsistencies VALIDATES that boxers use supplements or have conditions...in which rival promoters dont give a shet, all must comply at the cutoff date.

This proves the MINIMUM REQUIRED PERFORMANCE LEVELS in that PEDS, like in any sport, refers to the grind or close date to the event. That's why Tour De France have cyclists test at the end of day during the event for 30 days. That's the classic notion of cheating, or what was done in the era of the 80-90s-2000s in boxing.

Boxers today don't have that luxury anymore. I alwasy bring it up, but fighters today, rarely, FAIL a post fight urine test at the ELITE LEVEL. It means they were jacked in the ring since they failed a post fight test. You have to be nowadays to fail a post fight test. So you must wonder, why did RJJ or Toney fail a post fight test? The answer is simple, HBO wouldnt be able to protect in all instances, that's when rival promoters come in to play or industry leaks of rival gyms etc...

So no, I don't agree that all athletes should use PEDS. Hells no. What I and many others agree with, is the cutoff dates for enrollment, which has been in play since 2011, and many have been caught, including outside agencies that are not VADA related.

With Canelo having a trace at the 80 day mark upon enrollment as he always did with VADA means nothing. That shet aint gonna give any gain theory, especially when WADA has the MINIMUM REQUIRED PERFORMANCE LEVEL to justify advantage theory. If Canelo failed a test during fight week or a couple days before the fight like Dillian Whyte vs Rivas, then you would apply MINIMUM REQUIRED PERFORMANCE LEVEL theory ON TOP of unintentional use. That's how cheating is measured, close to the fight.

But like I said, Sulaiman reached at something to hit back at Canelo. It was personal grudge, not a ''cheating'' perspective.

[MulaKO]

Legalize it
Simple , non toxic and self efficient
Cutoff dates is just one step closer to legalizing it
Mark my words

[Dip_Slide]

Yea they're horrible, they've become nothing more than clickbaiters.

[MulaKO]

Yea they're horrible, they've become nothing more than clickbaiters.

It’s actually quite pathetic

[CLUE]

Ishe made a ****** claim he can not back, and is getting his dumb ass lit up for it:

I’m just gonna call a spade a spade here, black fighters will do anything to discredit a white popular fighter. As much racism in this game that ain’t it. The glove controversy is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever ****ing seen. A heavyweight fought with a glove half on

— Ishé Oluwa Kamau Ali Smith (@IsheSugarShay) March 16, 2020

A couple guys talking about this (One includes Spence) does not equal the thousands of Black fighters who have not said a word about this garbage.

Here are mostly Black fighters also calling it BS...


So what the hell is Ishe talking about generalizing Black fighters. You got a ton of Black fighters also calling White cheating ass Mexican Canelo P4P #1 over Crawford.