Watching 90s heavyweight boxing and that era's overrated due to nostalgia

[Cobra Curry]

Today’s fighters are better , more Olympic and national champions they are also size able which makes it harder for lighter guys if you look at most matches the heavier guy wins most of the time. I made an actual thread on that about the Fury rematch and was laughed at .

The 90”s had great fighters, Mercer, Morrison , Bowe , Tyson , Holyfield , Foreman etc but they aren’t leaps and bounds what we have now ,I’d favor today’s guys over them more then not . The Klitschko brothers were also around .

Today's guys are generally better athletes but I think the 90's guys knew more about fighting.
The current trend of one or two fights a year is a hindrance imho.

[Long jabber]

To get in the ring and take huge punches alone takes a lot of heart. We all see all the huge muscled-up guys who think boxing in this era is easy get knocked outs and beat up fat cabbies and retire.

So why do people tend to shyt on this era like the boxers from the other eras were special? People talk about Ruddock like he’s some killer when he’s not different from a guy like Dillian Whyte. I’d pick Ruiz to beat Tua easily - both have a lot in common but Ruiz will overwhelm him with his extreme hand speed like Byrd did (Byrd’s hands weren’t even as fast as Ruiz’s). I’ve seen more from Dubois who I think is still is green than I saw in Bruno and Bruno was a WBC champion in the 90s. Golota was very similar to Helenius but he was considered a serious contender in the 90s and Helenius is more or less a journeyman in this era.

You lot need to stop hyping the 90s. And the 80s was trash - boxers on the Wlad and Vitali era of the 00s were better than 80s.

People **** on this era because theyre dumb and dksab. Lots of americans are also very biased against foreign fighters.

Remember too a lot of fights werent happening until recenltly and it left a sour taste in a lot of peoples mouths. With more activity between the top 10 i guarantee you that these criticisms will go away. In the 80s 90s and every era before people fought each other all the time.

Its really a shame that parker, fury, wilder, joshua, ruiz, usyk, whyte, pulev, povetkin and more haven't ran the gauntlet and all fought each other. In past eras all of them would have fought each other in their primes or close to and we would have a bonafied #1

[BangEM]

Today’s fighters are better , more Olympic and national champions they are also size able which makes it harder for lighter guys if you look at most matches the heavier guy wins most of the time. I made an actual thread on that about the Fury rematch and was laughed at .

The 90”s had great fighters, Mercer, Morrison , Bowe , Tyson , Holyfield , Foreman etc but they aren’t leaps and bounds what we have now ,I’d favor today’s guys over them more then not . The Klitschko brothers were also around .

People just love overrating those guys from the 90s and they have turned them into superheroes.

I’m currently watching Shannon Briggs vs Lennox. LMAOOO. Briggs hit Lennox with combos, then turned his back. Then Lennox was like, “is that all you have got”? Then hit him with a 2-piece and knocked him out. LMAO.

Who hits a guy and turn his back? LMAO. And fccking Shannon Briggs was a lineal champ in the 90s. LMAOOO. I don’t even rate David Haye after he got knocked out by Carl Thompson who was never great and was past it at almost 50...but I’ll pick him to knock out prime Shannon Briggs.

This era is stacked and people will appreciate it more in the next 2 yrs.

[robertzimmerman]

I just finished watching Tua vs Ibeabuchi and Lennox vs Tua.

Tua vs Ibeabuchi
Both Tua and Ibeabuchi were juiced out of their minds and both weren't even that skilled. Zero defense and terrible footwork. They also barely threw jabs in that fight. Both just squared up and traded punches from start to finish. So I'm not shocked Ibeabuchi ended up with CTE shortly after that fight. The fight's entertaining due to how action packed it was. But as someone who watches boxing for technical stuffs - it might be the worst fight I've seen. The only guy I see fight like that these days is Ilunga Makabu and he's not even elite in his division and that's where I'll rank both amongst the current heavyweights. You can't be fighting like that.

Lennox vs Tua
People accuse AJ of running in the Ruiz rematch but Lennox did more running against Tua than AJ did against Ruiz in Saudi. And Lennox didn't shut Tua out like AJ did against Ruiz (Tua won about 4 rds). AJ at least engaged a few times - Lennox didn't engage at all. He kept it long with pot shots and got caught a lot of times in the early rounds. But funny how people give Lennox credit but would never give Josh props for a masterclass.

Nostalgia is a biitch...once you take Lennox and Holyfield out of the 90s, that era had no other great boxers. This era is looking more stacked IMO.

Okay.

First off, Lennox fought David Tua at the end of the 2000.

Why are you taking Lennox and Evander out of the equation?

What would today’s landscape look like if you removed AJ and Tyson?

Why are you only focusing on those 2 fights?

Yes, some people may overrate the 90’s. But the 90’s had some good fighters.

Let’s have a look:

Lennox Lewis
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
George Foreman
Ray Mercer
Frank Bruno
Vitali Klitschko
Corrie Sanders
Chris Byrd
Ike Ibeabuchi
David Tua
Michael Moorer
Evander Holyfield
Rid**** Bowe
Tommy Morrison
Donovan Ruddock
Oliver McCall
Andrew Golota

We have some very good fighters today with some great characters. But I wouldn’t say that the depth was any better.

Go and look at today’s top guys.

Tyson Fury is special.

AJ is also very good.

Wilder wouldn’t have survived the 90’s in my opinion.

Whyte, Ruiz and Parker are good, but no better than the 90’s guys.

Usyk is going to be interesting.

Regarding Lennox, yes, he fought a very conservative fight because he didn’t want to get hit by Tua’s left hook.

I watched it live. It was a boring fight. But Lennox was never going to fight him. Why would he have?

[Cobra Curry]

Remember too a lot of fights werent happening until recenltly and it left a sour taste in a lot of peoples mouths. With more activity between the top 10 i guarantee you that these criticisms will go away. In the 80s 90s and every era before people fought each other all the time.

Its really a shame that parker, fury, wilder, joshua, ruiz, usyk, whyte, pulev, povetkin and more haven't ran the gauntlet and all fought each other. In past eras all of them would have fought each other in their primes or close to and we would have a bonafied #1

I agree with this.

[robertzimmerman]

The 90s is overrated, there's plenty of fighters today who would do very well in that era

And vice versa.

[Cobra Curry]

This era is stacked and people will appreciate it more in the next 2 yrs.

Depends on which fights are made.

[bender2000]

nah dont agree at all 90s had wayway more depth than today

[Nay_Sayer]

I just finished watching Tua vs Ibeabuchi and Lennox vs Tua.

Tua vs Ibeabuchi
Both Tua and Ibeabuchi were juiced out of their minds and both weren't even that skilled. Zero defense and terrible footwork. They also barely threw jabs in that fight. Both just squared up and traded punches from start to finish. So I'm not shocked Ibeabuchi ended up with CTE shortly after that fight. The fight's entertaining due to how action packed it was. But as someone who watches boxing for technical stuffs - it might be the worst fight I've seen. The only guy I see fight like that these days is Ilunga Makabu and he's not even elite in his division and that's where I'll rank both amongst the current heavyweights. You can't be fighting like that.

Lennox vs Tua
People accuse AJ of running in the Ruiz rematch but Lennox did more running against Tua than AJ did against Ruiz in Saudi. And Lennox didn't shut Tua out like AJ did against Ruiz (Tua won about 4 rds). AJ at least engaged a few times - Lennox didn't engage at all. He kept it long with pot shots and got caught a lot of times in the early rounds. But funny how people give Lennox credit but would never give Josh props for a masterclass.

Nostalgia is a biitch...once you take Lennox and Holyfield out of the 90s, that era had no other great boxers. This era is looking more stacked IMO.

Prime Lewis and Prime Ibeabuchi would wipe the floor with everyone in the current top 10..

[robertzimmerman]

LMAO. I’ll cave yer head in the ring and beat you to a pulp. Weak yanks, man.

There’s a reason why I can confidently say the 90s era is overrated. Once you remove Mike Tyson who had a unique style but no heart; Lennox Lewis who did a lot of things right and had a great lead right hook that he follows up with a crisp uppercut, his big right and effective jab; and Holyfield who did almost everything right - the rest were basic and not as good as advertised. And it’s the same with this era. I can say that confidently because I study tapes. Can you?

Suck ya madda, you peasant!

Why are you removing 3 fighters?

No, the others weren’t basic.

Not at all.