Guys I’m so bored, did mike Tyson ever beat an ATG in their prime?

[Boxing Goat]

I’ve having a look at his record cause I’m bored af in lockdown and did he ever beat any ATG that were in their primes, cause looking at it he lost in the big time fights.

He didn't beat an ATG in their prime but that doesn't mean he was not an ATG himself. Who's to say that he would not have beaten several in his own prime? That said, Tyson was a huge, enormous, out of this world, force of hype in his prime. He is one reason that I got into boxing in the 80's. But...... he is extremely, extremely overrated. He was good at what he did but he wilted when confronted with real resistance and he was very one dimensional even if that one dimension was stellar at his best. His speed and power were amazing in his prime. I think he would beat a good number of all time greats, possibly even Ali. (I say that because he was a better version of Frazier in my opinion and Frazier beat prime Ali)

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Did they give U a medal or a chest to pin one on?

I inducted myself for my contributions to the forum. I also bought myself a World Championship belt. As all Champions need a belt.

[QueensburyRules]

I'm in the boxingscene hall of fame.

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Did they give U a medal or a chest to pin one on?

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I'm in the boxingscene hall of fame.

[creekrat77]

Interesting. So why is mike Tyson considered one of the greatest ever if not the greatest ever if he hasn’t beat any ATG prime fighters???

Because he was trained in a way that focused on being able to beat all the ATGs that came before him. He fought who he could and laid them out. His elite level of craft was short lived because he quickly gave into the distractions taking way too many liberties. Cus likely saw this coming and even being inevitable. So he was trained with the rapidity and intensity to reach his biggest accomplishments early. Because it would likely all fall apart once he became independent.

[QueensburyRules]

Exactly. Put it this way, people say Douglas didn't beat prime Mike, but if Tyson actually won that fight, everyone of his fans would count that as a win for PRIME mike. They are very selective. In his so called prime, he beat a few half decent fighters, and a whole bunch of d/e/f/no listers.

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[Long jabber]

Exactly. Put it this way, people say Douglas didn't beat prime Mike, but if Tyson actually won that fight, everyone of his fans would count that as a win for PRIME mike. They are very selective. In his so called prime, he beat a few half decent fighters, and a whole bunch of d/e/f/no listers.

You're intentionally lying or ydksab. People regards mikes prime when he was with trainer kevin rooney who knew the ins and outs of the peekaboo style that cus invented.

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Basically he got figured out early on his career and when people stopped being into the 'myth of tyson' he was easy to beat. We all really meant to believe he was past prime at 24? Lol

Exactly. Put it this way, people say Douglas didn't beat prime Mike, but if Tyson actually won that fight, everyone of his fans would count that as a win for PRIME mike. They are very selective. In his so called prime, he beat a few half decent fighters, and a whole bunch of d/e/f/no listers.

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tyson was a great fighter bro...cant say i agree....only lost 2 times before the age of 30.

he folded everytime the going got tough? did you even watch the 2 fights with ruddock, or the fights with Tucker, Smith, he kept trying even losing to Douglass

Yes, but 6 of those years he went unbeaten because he was in prison. He would have lost many more.

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Why can't you make a response without insults....like how old are you?

It remains a fact that his "prime" lasted for a very small time and there was no real competition during that....these are the facts whether you like or not.

Why it lasted that long is another issue but you cannot take the reason for that to change facts and pretend it is not the case. Nobody is saying Mike wasn't good in case you did not get that from my post.

Also, who Mike chose to be around him and who he chose to associate himself with was his own choice. So, as sad as his story is, he is responsible for it. He is the one bragging about having sex with maids in a Japanese hotel before his fight even when his movement was restricted. And while I do sympathize with him...that he lost not only his coach and mentor but also a fatherly figure in Cus, remember that Buster wasn't in a great situation either (psychologically).

Also, let's not pretend that he was invincible during his "prime". People that applied pressure and refused to get intimidated by Mike did well. Even no-names like James Tillis, Mitch Green, and James Smith took him the distance. So, it's not like he KOed everyone during that time. If these guys can survive, so could Holyfield or Lewis or Bowe. And had these guys fought Mike during that era, they would have beaten him either by points or KO.

I am a Mike Tyson fan and have respect for the guy as a boxer and as a person (mostly for his later changes in life), but let not fanboyism keep us from talking and accepting reality.

Yeah, if Mike say in his "prime" had beaten Lewis, Bowe and Holyfield, then came back and wasn't as good, then the whole prime thing would hold up, but he wasn't. He just beat a few b minus level guys at best, and the rest were no tougher than your average lorry driver. I would have walked through half of those bums.