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Guys Iím so bored, did mike Tyson ever beat an ATG in their prime?

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  • Zelda
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    Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
    - -U dumb or just stoopid?

    Mike broke heavy boxing records til the end of time. Part of his success was having 3 HOFer guiding him. When they passed and Givens and King got their hooks in him and being placed on experimental psychotropic sedatives, his prime ended.

    Clearly he enters a tragic downward spiral as all but a dolt can see.
    Why can't you make a response without insults....like how old are you?

    It remains a fact that his "prime" lasted for a very small time and there was no real competition during that....these are the facts whether you like or not.

    Why it lasted that long is another issue but you cannot take the reason for that to change facts and pretend it is not the case. Nobody is saying Mike wasn't good in case you did not get that from my post.

    Also, who Mike chose to be around him and who he chose to associate himself with was his own choice. So, as sad as his story is, he is responsible for it. He is the one bragging about having sex with maids in a Japanese hotel before his fight even when his movement was restricted. And while I do sympathize with him...that he lost not only his coach and mentor but also a fatherly figure in Cus, remember that Buster wasn't in a great situation either (psychologically).

    Also, let's not pretend that he was invincible during his "prime". People that applied pressure and refused to get intimidated by Mike did well. Even no-names like James Tillis, Mitch Green, and James Smith took him the distance. So, it's not like he KOed everyone during that time. If these guys can survive, so could Holyfield or Lewis or Bowe. And had these guys fought Mike during that era, they would have beaten him either by points or KO.

    I am a Mike Tyson fan and have respect for the guy as a boxer and as a person (mostly for his later changes in life), but let not fanboyism keep us from talking and accepting reality.

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  • champion4ever
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    Yes, Larry Homes and Michael Spinks.

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  • HewJohnson
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    Originally posted by BoxingTrav View Post
    I hate the narrative that Tyson lost every big fight. That is incorrect. What is correct is that he lost every big fight after prison.

    Before Prison

    He beat Berbick in a big fight (1st Title), Bonecrusher Smith in a unification, Tucker to become undisputed, Tyrell Biggs was a big fight, Larry Homes was a big fight (Mike was the only man to ever stop Larry), Spinks was the biggest fight in boxing and Bruno was another big fight. So please with the revisionist bull. Tyson's run was a great one. Wish he maintained his discipline but it was not written that way.

    ODLH lost all his big fights but heís still considered one of the best of all time, which he was.

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  • HewJohnson
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    Originally posted by Slicedbread View Post
    Lol..

    Buster Douglas disagrees.

    Tyson is probably the most overrated boxer. But for good reason. His style was so fun to watch and the manner of him destroying guys placed nostalgia blinds over his actual accomplishments

    Nah, heís not overrated.
    The box office numbers prove otherwise.

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  • LacedUp
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    Originally posted by Nash out View Post
    It was a comedy version of the list. But let's be honest, Tyson beat nobody even close to great. Holmes was a good win, but it was clear Holmes was well past the force he once was.
    Tyson beat a couple of good fighters in his time. He beat guys that were the highest ranked / champions in the 80s like Berbick, Spinks, Biggs, Tucker, Holmes, Thomas, Bruno, etc. And beat highly ranked guys from the 90s and some who were champions too like Bruno, Golota, Ruddock.

    But yes, he did fall short at the highest level in the 90s.

    He still had a fun career.

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  • Long jabber
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    Originally posted by Nash out View Post
    You might be right on that. I just think Douglas had a style that Mike would struggle with. But 7/10 is probably a stretch. The other guys though, I am certain on. Mike had skills and power. But he was small, got frustrated easily and folded, and would go as far as gave up under pressure.
    Do you even watch tyson fights? Where outside of his last two fights has he ever been frustrated and folded because of another mans skill? Mike never gave up even when he was shot untrained against botha he was still looking for that ko punch and got it. Ydksab

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  • QueensburyRules
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    Originally posted by Skip Bayless View Post
    tyson is the most overhyped boxer of all time. legit has no great win on his resume and lost all his big fights, aj surpassed his resume with the wlad win.
    people on here with a straight face try to tell me holmes who was retired for 2 years, fat, out of shape and on short notice is a better win than wlad who always keeps himself in shape. it doesn't matter what holmes did after the tyson loss, he fought him when coming out of retirement.
    - -Skippy sweets, tubby Lar forced the fight on Tyson.

    Been training in his own gym for a year just for that fight in between appearing at every Tyson fight calling him out and profaning him.

    What grade U in skippy?

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  • QueensburyRules
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    Originally posted by Zelda View Post
    Mike's "prime" was literary the time there was no decent competition. The older generation was on a decline and the younger one hadn't arrived. As soon as the competition came, Mike's "prime" ended.

    I find it weird when people say Mike's prime ended in 1989. How can your "prime" end at the age of 23? If it did, then you simply shouldn't even call it a prime. Simply call it an opportunistic window when the competition was low and you shined.
    - -U dumb or just stoopid?

    Mike broke heavy boxing records til the end of time. Part of his success was having 3 HOFer guiding him. When they passed and Givens and King got their hooks in him and being placed on experimental psychotropic sedatives, his prime ended.

    Clearly he enters a tragic downward spiral as all but a dolt can see.

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  • chirorickyp
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    Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post



    chiro - I'm still scared of Mike Tyson.
    And Marvis Frazier had to look across the ring and see the most viscious version of him. Poor guy did no wrong in his life and he had to meet that in a squared circle. Brutal and not fair. It should have been Feinstein or any child molester who ever lived.

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  • Skip Bayless
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    Originally posted by Zelda View Post
    Mike's "prime" was literary the time there was no decent competition. The older generation was on a decline and the younger one hadn't arrived. As soon as the competition came, Mike's "prime" ended.

    I find it weird when people say Mike's prime ended in 1989. How can your "prime" end at the age of 23? If it did, then you simply shouldn't even call it a prime. Simply call it an opportunistic window when the competition was low and you shined.
    his prime ended when he lost lmao we all know tyson beats anyone in fantasy match, he doesn't need to prove it in the ring we just know

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