Comments Thread For: Teddy Atlas: Fury Bullied The Bully, Wilder Didn't Get His Way

[Jack Rivers]

Ahhh old news much?

I like Teddy, but Jesus he can be like a broken record.

Teddy compared this to Mike Tyson to where Tyson relied on intimidation and once that was taken away by Douglas, he was never the same and fighters knew to bully the bully.

Difference is wilder isn't close to having the skill set as Tyson. But it's yet to be seen here but maybe wilder is stronger than mike Tyson mentally? Teddy said Mike would give up easily mentally once he knew he was beat and didn't have the heart to push forward...

I Don't know? I don't think wilder is mentally weak but he never really beat anyone of significant. Ortiz... So what? Ortiz never beat anyone of significant either, even though he has an impressive amateur background. Not saying wilder is a bum but until he fights AJ, Whyte, Usyk and even Dubois/ Joyce we really don't know his level. Sure he put a lot of bums to sleep and it is impressive regardless, but lets see him against other upper level opponents.

Then again... Fury might have gotten away with cheating? Who knows?

[Noelanthony]

[QUOTE=SugarRaRobinson;20466314]

I witnessed Wilder get whooped too, that's not the issue. The caveat is "Was There Foul Play Involved" ? And the evidence seems to overly suggest Yes.

I'm not asking u to turn a blind eye and say "If Fury's gloves weren't tampered with, Deontay would have avoided all those right hands"

What I would like for u to do is acknowledge that boxing is a game of attrition, and naturally if ur opponent has tampered gloves that allowed him to hit u with flush nuckles instead of normal padding, you'd have a desicive advantage.

This advantage would allow you to easily concuss your opponent early on, which can severely affect your response time to getting out of the way of incoming punches. For you not to correlate the tampered gloves having any affect on the outcome of that fight is absurd.

Yes he lost officially like Lennox did to Hollyfield, but was there anyone on the planet who took that official Holyfield decision seriously ?

So stop acting like official decisions are beyond reproach when history had taught us otherwise !

In regards to Lewis and Holyfield it was clear for all to see. This evidence that you now claim is fact he had tampered gloves in the first fight didn’t he ? Yet Fury did not want to engage with Wilder. He didn’t want to use his significant advantage and even when he hit Wilder which he did many times in the first fight,wilder referred to his punches as pillows. The only difference now is that Fury came with a different game plan, with the mentality to wreck havoc.

Old man Ortiz made Wilder look similar in a sense wilder fought on the back foot and was bamboozled. The difference is fury is elusive and Ortiz is not.

Baring the 12th round Deontay hardly hit Fury, we can at least agree Fury was not at his optimum best so fast forward a year why would he not improve? It’s like this I watched a video where all the boxers in the gym put on the tampered gloves and it can be counter productive. If Wilder came out and said he had concussion or he was hurt I would say ok from Fury hitting like his 2 year old to punching like Forman something is suspect but I witnessed Wilder more fatigued than hurt so I can only go on what I saw and what the fallen champion has said. You may be correct but for me he is innocent until proven guilty well atleast more substantiate proof than slow mo videos and angles

It’s you Americans that always claim u see UFO in Miami Beach in the afternoon but some how you manufacture some video evidence. You are a creative bunch..... no jokes side let’s agree to disagree on this u seem pretty intransigent on the topic

[SugarRaRobinson]

Ahhh old news much?

I like Teddy, but Jesus he can be like a broken record.

Teddy compared this to Mike Tyson to where Tyson relied on intimidation and once that was taken away by Douglas, he was never the same and fighters knew to bully the bully.

Difference is wilder isn't close to having the skill set as Tyson. But it's yet to be seen here but maybe wilder is stronger than mike Tyson mentally? Teddy said Mike would give up easily mentally once he knew he was beat and didn't have the heart to push forward...

I Don't know? I don't think wilder is mentally weak but he never really beat anyone of significant. Ortiz... So what? Ortiz never beat anyone of significant either, even though he has an impressive amateur background. Not saying wilder is a bum but until he fights AJ, Whyte, Usyk and even Dubois/ Joyce we really don't know his level. Sure he put a lot of bums to sleep and it is impressive regardless, but lets see him against other upper level opponents.

Then again... Fury might have gotten away with cheating? Who knows?

Why the hell do u guys give this cruiserweight who's never had a fight at heavyweight so much credibility ?

Can we first see if his cruiserweight pedigree transfers well before we assume he's one of the top guys to beat at heavy ?

Is that too much to ask ?
Cause if he fought a top 5 heavyweight tommorow and and got knocked out, I wouldn't give much credit to the heavyweight who did it.

[SugarRaRobinson]

[QUOTE=Noelanthony;20466427]

In regards to Lewis and Holyfield it was clear for all to see. This evidence that you now claim is fact he had tampered gloves in the first fight didn’t he ? Yet Fury did not want to engage with Wilder. He didn’t want to use his significant advantage and even when he hit Wilder which he did many times in the first fight,wilder referred to his punches as pillows. The only difference now is that Fury came with a different game plan, with the mentality to wreck havoc.

Old man Ortiz made Wilder look similar in a sense wilder fought on the back foot and was bamboozled. The difference is fury is elusive and Ortiz is not.

Baring the 12th round Deontay hardly hit Fury, we can at least agree Fury was not at his optimum best so fast forward a year why would he not improve? It’s like this I watched a video where all the boxers in the gym put on the tampered gloves and it can be counter productive. If Wilder came out and said he had concussion or he was hurt I would say ok from Fury hitting like his 2 year old to punching like Forman something is suspect but I witnessed Wilder more fatigued than hurt so I can only go on what I saw and what the fallen champion has said. You may be correct but for me he is innocent until proven guilty well atleast more substantiate proof than slow mo videos and angles

It’s you Americans that always claim u see UFO in Miami Beach in the afternoon but some how you manufacture some video evidence. You are a creative bunch..... no jokes side let’s agree to disagree on this u seem pretty intransigent on the topic

Wilder was bleeding from his ear with no visible cut. Bizarre to say the least. As far as Wilder coming out saying this and that was wrong with me after the fight is not realistic because he's too damn prideful.

He never even gave an explanation as to why he was bleeding out his ear with no cut, but clearly he had a busted eardrum most likely. So if he can't even admit the obvious, then I don't think he'd ever admit he got concussed.

[PunchyPotorff]

Wow, this story sure brought out the Fury and Atlas haters. And their stories get even more wacko as time goes on. You poor sods just need to accept Wilder lost fair and square. Tests came back negative. Nothing wrong with the gloves or the commission would've said so. Wow, just let it the fek go, you little whiny b****. And maybe stop betting on Wilder. He's fighting the elites now. That punch won't always work anymore. SMH

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by Opti500
Fury is a fakin fraud next time these gloves need to be checked every fakin rounds or maybe that farmer will get his ass on a fork for 8y

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How did he cheat? I thought these accusations were unfounded.
Also, what you are saying is without Fury cheating he can’t beat Wilder?
Which means, the third fight (all the proper precautions taken) Wilder should beat Fury Easy because, you know, Fury is a cheat?

He's just the typical Wilder fan... just like Wilder... can't just let a loss go. Has to make up a bunch of b.s. excuses.

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by Oldskoolg
Pretty much, and he said he was going to do it. One man made adjustments and the other was either to arrogant to incompetent or both. I NEVER liked wilder’s horrendously bad habit of moving straight back, posing, watching, not punching, in hopes that he will land a big punch, while losing.....and letting his opponent punch more than him. If wilder would ac to ally move his head, rediscover lateral movement, punch in combination he could still have a successful career

Good points.
What do you think has held up his trainers from teaching him that?

It isn't the trainers. It's Wilder. He's so arrogant, narcissistic and lazy he never went to the trouble of learning boxing 101. And now it's finally come back to bite him on the backside. And at his age, good luck even if he tried to learn the basics.

[PunchyPotorff]

So what your saying to me in a nutshell is that if mainstream reporters don't pick up the story it has no validity ?

This just validates that your thought process has no validity.

Do u realize that ALL of our media is owned and controlled by 5 or 6 different companies? Once you process that I'd like u to sit back and really ponder on how much real free Media/accurate reporting your actually receiving from mainstream media. Take this virus as an example. How many conflicting stories have u heard in the last 5 days ?

Why don't you give your feeble conspiracy theories a rest? It's OVER. Fury beat hizzazz, legally. Move past it. Geez. SMH

[PunchyPotorff]

Yes! Keep breaking the Wilder fans with these articles. They can't stop crying like Hilary voters. Four years from now we still gonna hear these b**ches whine.

You lost me at that typical trumpaholic 'talking points' b.s. about HC. Grow up, pal. We dems don't care about that ancient history... we are just sick of an incompetent jerk skrooing everything up. If you think otherwise, you just need to do some objective research for a change. Your god trump is a lawless narcissistic whiner who simply is incapable of admitting his mistakes and scams.

[Noelanthony]

[QUOTE=SugarRaRobinson;20466487]

Wilder was bleeding from his ear with no visible cut. Bizarre to say the least. As far as Wilder coming out saying this and that was wrong with me after the fight is not realistic because he's too damn prideful.

He never even gave an explanation as to why he was bleeding out his ear with no cut, but clearly he had a busted eardrum most likely. So if he can't even admit the obvious, then I don't think he'd ever admit he got concussed.

I heard they stitched the ear but was not a perforated ear drum. I watched the fight back Tyson was not even that great. Wilder just didn’t have a clue. Without consolidated proof of the gloves it’s hard to not merit fury with the arse whooping he handed out. Fury is naturally not an aggressive come forward fighter and was sloppy with his offence in spots. In any case if more comes to light I will be the first to find you and apologise but for now he and his fans should hold the L with dignity and come again hard in the rematch. Starting with dropping that weight he looked slow and ponderous. Like that stiff golden robot in star wars