Comments Thread For: Porter, Mares Believe Wilder Made Right Call Keeping Breland On Team

[theface07]

On the contrary, Wilder should have fired his whole team. First the person who suggested that Wilder needed to put on weight for the rematch and secondly, the others for backing that play.

Wilder didn't struggle in the first first because he was undersized, he struggled because his team had absolutely no idea what they were doing and failed to make easy in fight adjustments.

Also, he struggled because Fury, despite his size, actually had way more stamina and hand speed than Wilder.

What his team needed to work on is his cardio for stamina, and to work on tactics to set Fury up and allow Wilder to time him accurately and consistently so that they can land those bombs earlier and throughout the fight.

Making him gain all that mass not only sapped his stamina, but also made him slower and sluggish, not something you want against someone faster and with more stamina.

Even worse is that gaining mass actually reduced his power as opposed to increasing it, Wilder's power is shocking power that comes from the speed and force of his thrusts, he doesn't have thudding and clubbing kind of power therefore gaining mass is of no benefit to him.

It's like if a cricket guy who is a fast bowler decided to gain muscle mass for more power. Guaranteed he'll start bowling slower instead of faster.

His team is a bunch of baphoons who made things so much harder for Wilder and so much easier for Fury.

Not taking anything away from Fury of course. He prepared well and executed his game plan exceptionally. The better man won on the day.

Wilder will lose again in even more devastating fashion if he keeps these fools in his camp.

I agree with you about some points regarding his team and faults in his performance but fire his entire team? Nah. Jay Deas needs to go but Mark Breland forgot more about boxing than most people will ever know. I don't think you understand how trainers and corners generally work.
Breland was and is not the head trainer, just a cornerman. He doesn't dictate the tactics and methods used in training. It's also up to the fighter to realize he needs a different trainer or needs to change tactics.
I can guarantee that Wilder was blinded by his own power of any adjustments he needed to make, even after the 1st Fury fight. Wilder is in control and if he didn't think anything needed to be changed, nothing is going to change. Jay Deas was just going along for the ride because he has a fighter with natural power and banked on that bailing him out whenever necessary. I honestly don't think he would even know how to implement the appropriate changes nor is it likely that Wilder, who has relied on his power his entire pro career, would be able to make the right adjustments in one camp.

[REdrUm0351]

On the contrary, Wilder should have fired his whole team. First the person who suggested that Wilder needed to put on weight for the rematch and secondly, the others for backing that play.

Wilder didn't struggle in the first first because he was undersized, he struggled because his team had absolutely no idea what they were doing and failed to make easy in fight adjustments.

Also, he struggled because Fury, despite his size, actually had way more stamina and hand speed than Wilder.

What his team needed to work on is his cardio for stamina, and to work on tactics to set Fury up and allow Wilder to time him accurately and consistently so that they can land those bombs earlier and throughout the fight.

Making him gain all that mass not only sapped his stamina, but also made him slower and sluggish, not something you want against someone faster and with more stamina.

Even worse is that gaining mass actually reduced his power as opposed to increasing it, Wilder's power is shocking power that comes from the speed and force of his thrusts, he doesn't have thudding and clubbing kind of power therefore gaining mass is of no benefit to him.

It's like if a cricket guy who is a fast bowler decided to gain muscle mass for more power. Guaranteed he'll start bowling slower instead of faster.

His team is a bunch of baphoons who made things so much harder for Wilder and so much easier for Fury.

Not taking anything away from Fury of course. He prepared well and executed his game plan exceptionally. The better man won on the day.

Wilder will lose again in even more devastating fashion if he keeps these fools in his camp.

Exactly! There was nothing wrong with his power or from what they saw his ability to take Furys shots in the first fight. Fury didn’t discover newfound power in the 2nd either. Wilder was SLOW and TIRED. That extra weight only quickened his demise and slowed down his shots. Wilder was set up for failure from the get go. He needs to come back lighter,faster, and have his conditioning in check. If he does this he much better chances than the second fight.

Edit :BTW I don’t think that means he beats Fury. We have to see if it has damaged Wilder mentally. Also Furys gameplan was perfect. Forcing Wilder to be mentally focused for every minute of every round while touching him and leaning on him absolutely broke him down. The best thing going for Wilder in a third fight is Fury needs to be the underdog so he can rise to the occasion when hes the top dog he does not perform as well.

[Zen_Fighter]

As a long time fan of the sport.... no expertise of course.... armchair quarterback if you will..... I said to my friend at the conclusion of the first fight, Breland needed to be fired. Breland was a great fighter back in the day, it does not appear to me that he has next level trainer abilities. Could someone with a trained eye comment on the adjustments that were visible in Wilder's fight game in either fight?

[REdrUm0351]

I agree with you about some points regarding his team and faults in his performance but fire his entire team? Nah. Jay Deas needs to go but Mark Breland forgot more about boxing than most people will ever know. I don't think you understand how trainers and corners generally work.
Breland was and is not the head trainer, just a cornerman. He doesn't dictate the tactics and methods used in training. It's also up to the fighter to realize he needs a different trainer or needs to change tactics.
I can guarantee that Wilder was blinded by his own power of any adjustments he needed to make, even after the 1st Fury fight. Wilder is in control and if he didn't think anything needed to be changed, nothing is going to change. Jay Deas was just going along for the ride because he has a fighter with natural power and banked on that bailing him out whenever necessary. I honestly don't think he would even know how to implement the appropriate changes nor is it likely that Wilder, who has relied on his power his entire pro career, would be able to make the right adjustments in one camp.

Yea but Wilder fought a little differently in his early career. Watch the Stiverne first fight. He fought going backwards and had better stamina. Yea Stiverne isn’t as good as Fury but that Wilder may have lasted a little longer. After that fight Wilder got complacent and used to sitting in the middle of the ring waiting for his opponents to tire. He stopped moving and fell in love with his power. A lighter Wilder with better conditioning does better than the Wilder in the 2nd Fury fight. He might not be able to make the necessary strategic adjustments but given his power he needs to maximize his conditioning to give as much time a possible to land that hail mary again before he gets worn out. Its his only hope. Putting on the extra weight was foolish.

[Squared.Circle]

Yea but Wilder fought a little differently in his early career. Watch the Stiverne first fight. He fought going backwards and had better stamina. Yea Stiverne isn’t as good as Fury but that Wilder may have lasted a little longer. After that fight Wilder got complacent and used to sitting in the middle of the ring waiting for his opponents to tire. He stopped moving and fell in love with his power. A lighter Wilder with better conditioning does better than the Wilder in the 2nd Fury fight. He might not be able to make the necessary strategic adjustments but given his power he needs to maximize his conditioning to give as much time a possible to land that hail mary again before he gets worn out. Its his only hope. Putting on the extra weight was foolish.

Everybody saying that if Wilder was lighter and fitter he would have done better seem to have forgotten the first fight. Wilder was as fit and fast as he’s been throughout his entire career and got embarrassingly outboxed. Yes, he had more success in that fight, but was that anything to do with what Wilder did? No. He had success because Fury was fighting on the back foot, not sitting down on his punches and not imposing his size and strength. The knockdowns in the first fight can easily (and quite reasonably) be attributed to Fury’s stamina and complacency.

A fit and focused Tyson Fury that uses his size, considerable strength advantage, superior boxing ability and sits down on his punches will beat any version of Wilder every day of the week and twice on a Sunday.

Don’t forget, he landed at least three or four flush right hands on Fury’s jaw in the rematch and Fury didn’t even blink, so that "one punch" has to be perfect.

The only difference I see in the third fight is the referee being on top of Fury’s roughhouse tactics. Fury still wins by convincing stoppage in a one-sided beat down. All hail The Gypsy King! Lol

[lowblows420]

Dont matter if he keeps breland or not. Jay deas is really the one to replace to improve technically or he will lose 3rd fight. Wilders ego won't let him change especially after all that talk about fury changing trainers.

[Tutsa]

Agreed 100 %

[NachoMan]

Dumb move by Wilder. He should have pulled the trigger and finally gotten rid of both Deas and Breland. Breland shouldn't be punished for throwing the towel, of course. He should be dropped for being completely ineffective as a coach. Whether he knows boxing or not, he is not the guy to teach it to Deontay because Deontay doesn't respect him.

[REdrUm0351]

Everybody saying that if Wilder was lighter and fitter he would have done better seem to have forgotten the first fight. Wilder was as fit and fast as he’s been throughout his entire career and got embarrassingly outboxed. Yes, he had more success in that fight, but was that anything to do with what Wilder did? No. He had success because Fury was fighting on the back foot, not sitting down on his punches and not imposing his size and strength. The knockdowns in the first fight can easily (and quite reasonably) be attributed to Fury’s stamina and complacency.

A fit and focused Tyson Fury that uses his size, considerable strength advantage, superior boxing ability and sits down on his punches will beat any version of Wilder every day of the week and twice on a Sunday.

Don’t forget, he landed at least three or four flush right hands on Fury’s jaw in the rematch and Fury didn’t even blink, so that "one punch" has to be perfect.

The only difference I see in the third fight is the referee being on top of Fury’s roughhouse tactics. Fury still wins by convincing stoppage in a one-sided beat down. All hail The Gypsy King! Lol

I never said Fury wasnt going to win the third fight. I think Wilder will lose again all Im saying is that he could of done better but he approached the fight all wrong. Wilder might last a couple more rounds.

[Jowara]

Dang wilder

He needs to learn how to actually box, what is breland teaching him, he ****** in the second fight.